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Vast majority of educators reject Republican proposals for arming teachers

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Vast majority of educators reject Republican proposals for arming teachers

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5.28.22
In response to the latest mass school shooting in the US in which a gunman killed 19 children and two adults at Robb elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, Republican politicians have fended off calls for gun control with proposals such as arming teachers and increasing police presence and security at schools. But many American teachers have heavily criticized these proposals as solutions that wouldn’t work and as distractions from actual solutions that conflict with the interests of gun lobbyists and manufacturers, who significantly fund and support Republicans. “If they cared at all, something would have been done. It would have been done after Columbine,” said Jim Gard, a high school math teacher in Broward county, Florida, who survived the 2018 Parkland school shooting. “Until they start caring more about people’s lives than worrying about their donations and their own careers and their own power, this will never end. They’ll have another one, next week, next month, whatever it is – this is going to continue, and it’ll never stop until they decide to put an end to it.” Many teachers doubt the Republican proposals would work.

A 2019 survey of more than 2,900 teachers around the US conducted by a researcher at California State University, Northridge, found 95.3% believed teachers should not be carrying guns in the classroom. “I went to college to become a teacher, not a law enforcement officer,” said Jourden Armstrong, a teacher for 15 years in Michigan. “Commonsense gun reform is an absolutely necessary component to curbing this uniquely American problem.” She also argued teachers would leave the profession in droves if these policy proposals were enacted. The National Education Association, the largest labor union in the US representing about 3 million members, criticized the proposal of arming teachers as a solution to mass shootings in schools. In a 2021 report conducted by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Texas ranked 40th out of 50 states and Washington DC in public education funding, spending $11,987 for each student annually, more than $3,000 less than the national average of $15,114.


Predictably, Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott and Senator Ted "Cancun" Cruz (R/TX) are lobbying for even more guns in Texas schools.

In 2020, Texas was second in the United States regarding the number of murders involving guns.

"Only in America": Frustrated teachers fume over GOP calls to arm them with guns to stop shootings
 
If someone wanted to make the country more of a fascist/authoritarian society, normalizing things like schools being more regimented with armed teachers, this would help do it, and it's being sold by exploiting tragic school shootings to justify the move - and even more insidiously, it's all to hide the Republicans exploiting guns to get votes.
 
Again, the right-wing want everybody armed, everybody looking over their shoulder, living every minute of their lives as if the next minute will involve violent carnage.

This is depraved and hopeless way to live. They have gone down into this rabbit hole of paranoia and violence and want to drag the rest of the country down there with them.

This is truly the vision of a society on the verge of collapse.
 
Again, the right-wing want everybody armed, everybody looking over their shoulder, living every minute of their lives as if the next minute will involve violent carnage.

This is depraved and hopeless way to live. They have gone down into this rabbit hole of paranoia and violence and want to drag the rest of the country down there with them.

This is truly the vision of a society on the verge of collapse.
I'd suggest pointing out more of the story - that it's not just random chaos, it's not nihilism, it's a controlling of people to prevent them from being rational actors in a democracy and instead to support plutocratic authoritarianism. Understanding that helps it make much more sense why people are pushed to do it.
 
If someone wanted to make the country more of a fascist/authoritarian society, normalizing things like schools being more regimented with armed teachers, this would help do it, and it's being sold by exploiting tragic school shootings to justify the move - and even more insidiously, it's all to hide the Republicans exploiting guns to get votes.

Republicans are police statists.
 
I've owned a gun and been a teacher. The idea of giving a teacher a firearm to confront a classroom emergency is, well...****ing nuts. When you're teaching you're focus is on the lesson, and nothing else. Unless you're burnt out in which case you're thinking about what you're going to eat for lunch or do after class is over, lol.

But the last thing you're thinking about is how to respond to an armed gunman. And sorry, but if you've got trained officers who apparently don't know how to respond to an armed gunman, what makes anyone think a teacher is necessarily going to be any better? Besides, the assailant will just make sure to take out the teachers first.

What happens if the teacher wants to break up a fistfight? Does he shoot someone? There are so many ways this could go wrong. We need fewer guns in this country. Period.
 
Vast majority of educators reject Republican proposals for arming teachers

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Predictably, Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott and Senator Ted "Cancun" Cruz (R/TX) are lobbying for even more guns in Texas schools.

In 2020, Texas was second in the United States regarding the number of murders involving guns.

"Only in America": Frustrated teachers fume over GOP calls to arm them with guns to stop shootings

Teachers work in gun free zones, thus they have little to worry about. ;)

If one is concerned about school security then they might decide that locking school doors to help limit access by armed invaders would be prudent. There is more security at many concerts or sporting events than at our public schools.
 
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You gave no link. You simply repeated the simplistic Fox slogan. "Liberal teachers unions."
I don't need to give a link I read the damn OP
 
I don't need to give a link I read the damn OP

I have my own news feed, you should too. I dont come here to read links. I come here to read the words of fellow posters.
In other words, I use a message board and news feed how they are meant to be used.
 
Republicans are police statists.

That does seem to be the case.
They resort to just saying that any noncompliance is reason for them to assault the public and the the assaulted person shouldn't complain.

Do you want to film in public? For them that's suspicious and thus the police can and will treated or just outright arest you on some unrelated charge that's highly likely to be completely shredded by a judge if it gets that far.
 
Guns and God are the bread and butter of guys like Abbott and Cruz. This is like a lame B- movie. Just follow the money
 
What does it matter what party the union supports.
If the teachers themselves don't want to be armed then it's a bad idea.

Using the same logic, if the people want to retain the option to be armed then it’s a good idea. That is precisely why we have the 2A.
 
Liberal teachers unions no surprise there.
Yes, the union is liberal because all teachers are liberal communists intent on turning all our kids gay. Isn't that what you folks all believe?
So how is it you think you are going to convince those folks it's a good idea to be trained on use of firearms and carry a gun with them at all times when on school property?
 
Guns and God are the bread and butter of guys like Abbott and Cruz. This is like a lame B- movie. Just follow the money
Stupid and Stupider = Guns and God.
 
That does seem to be the case.
They resort to just saying that any noncompliance is reason for them to assault the public and the the assaulted person shouldn't complain.

Do you want to film in public? For them that's suspicious and thus the police can and will treated or just outright arest you on some unrelated charge that's highly likely to be completely shredded by a judge if it gets that far.

It's more that they help to create the conditions that require a police state. Their best way to keep and gain power is by creating the conditions for chaos.
 
Using the same logic, if the people want to retain the option to be armed then it’s a good idea. That is precisely why we have the 2A.
This is bullshit. Total bullshit.
The second has zero to do with slaughter of children and all to do with equipping an army.

Cut the crap.
 
Yes, the union is liberal because all teachers are liberal communists intent on turning all our kids gay. Isn't that what you folks all believe?

No.

So how is it you think you are going to convince those folks it's a good idea to be trained on use of firearms and carry a gun with them at all times when on school property?

By offering a financial incentive (far lower than the cost of hiring a SRO) for teacher’s (or other existing school personnel) to opt to do that.
 
I have my own news feed, you should too. I dont come here to read links. I come here to read the words of fellow posters.
In other words, I use a message board and news feed how they are meant to be used.
Uhm people post links we read them and comment on them
 
Uhm people post links we read them and comment on them
Yes, this lazy format is used all day long here. I dont indulge lazy opening posts that do this.
 
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