Vapng vs Smoking

[JMaximus]

I know, right?

Seems so...

Cigarette Smoking Among U.S. Adults Lowest Ever Recorded: 14% in 2017 | CDC Online Newsroom

Cigarette smoking has reached the lowest level ever recorded among U.S. adults, according to new data published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the National Institutes of Health’s National Cancer Institute (NCI).

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Fine... just keep vaping then! I am sure your respiratory system really appreciates it!

I don't vape, just figured you would appreciate it if I helped you cut through the fake news.

 

[Mizzy22]

I was reading this piece this morning talking about how the state of Michigan is banning all flavored vaping materials, except tobacco flavor; several other cities have enacted similar measures but it got me thinking. There's been some talk on the hazards of vaping - there's even been a death attributed to vaping.

So, I'm wondering why, if these entities are so attuned to the health concerns of their constituents, why only go after vaping. Don't far more people get sick and die from smoking tobacco? Why not ban the sales of cigarettes and other tobacco products. The percentage of people who smoke has been declining for a long time- why not just cut it to zero and be done with it?

Other than for about two days in Navy boot camp I've never smoked or vaped so I plead ignorance as to the attraction addictiveness.


I hate to be cynical (no I don't) but is it possible that to our elected representatives tax revenues from the sale of cigarettes are more important than our health?


Thoughts?

Prohibition didn't work for booze,pot,drugs.
Why would it work for tobacco?
Without yet another illegal black market!

 

[Bullseye]

Prohibition didn't work for booze,pot,drugs.
Why would it work for tobacco?
Without yet another illegal black market!

Unlike drinking or even pot, smoking is a social pariah these days. There wouldn't be the huge demand and social acceptance booze and pot enjoy.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I don't think there's going to be an outright ban on it, but warning people to not use it until they understand what are causing the deaths so people can properly understand the risks makes sense. If the Vitamin E acetate is the main culprit, then removing it or finding a safe alternative might be all that's required.

 

[Bodi]

I was reading this piece this morning talking about how the state of Michigan is banning all flavored vaping materials, except tobacco flavor; several other cities have enacted similar measures but it got me thinking. There's been some talk on the hazards of vaping - there's even been a death attributed to vaping.

So, I'm wondering why, if these entities are so attuned to the health concerns of their constituents, why only go after vaping. Don't far more people get sick and die from smoking tobacco? Why not ban the sales of cigarettes and other tobacco products. The percentage of people who smoke has been declining for a long time- why not just cut it to zero and be done with it?

Other than for about two days in Navy boot camp I've never smoked or vaped so I plead ignorance as to the attraction addictiveness.


I hate to be cynical (no I don't) but is it possible that to our elected representatives tax revenues from the sale of cigarettes are more important than our health?


Thoughts?

Watch, "Thank you for Smoking"... great movie.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Sure. Putting a warning label on cigarette packages worked so well last time.

There's an old Denis Leary bit along these lines...



"Like the problem is we just haven't noticed yet..."

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Fine... just keep vaping then! I am sure your respiratory system really appreciates it!

Probably more so than smoking. I was a smoker for more than ten years. Without the control of nicotine levels afforded by vaping, I'd probably still be a smoker. Instead, I was able to gradually lower the nicotine levels in the vape juice and finally get down to zero. I've been smoke-free for I don't even know how long, and dropped vaping on 4 July 2017. Or 2016?

People on their crusade against vaping are only making it harder for smokers who want to quit to be able to do so.

 

[Waddy]

The libertarian part of me says it's none of the government's business what I do unless it directly physically hurts someone else. So I understand the prohibition against smoking in indoor public places like restaurants. But in private homes (without kids) and under the open sky it hurts no one but the smoker. BTW: I don't smoke.

I also don't care who smokes marijuana so long as they don't drive. That could endanger others.

Seatbelts and helmets should be a choice.

I'd like the government to get out of the business of micromanaging personal lives.

 

[Mizzy22]

Unlike drinking or even pot, smoking is a social pariah these days. There wouldn't be the huge demand and social acceptance booze and pot enjoy.

There are millions of nicotine addicts.Yet another Black Market!
And people being shot for a pack of cigs!

 

[Gdjjr]

The government has the same right over cigarettes that it does over abortion and guns. They can't outlaw it but they can regulate it.

Regulation was never intended to include forcing a belief- it was intended to help prevent one gaining a legal advantage over another- so, for Michigan to enFORCE its ban it's going to have to rely on states that don't use it to support their regulation- it will create a black market giving a legal advantage to other states- in other words- FAIL as "regulation"- it may add to the domestic wars though- drugs, poverty, property rights, etc- but it's regulatory effectiveness is political show fodder for fools.

 

[Gdjjr]

The government has the same right over cigarettes that it does over abortion and guns. They can't outlaw it but they can regulate it.

Actually the gov't has no "rights"- it was granted *limited* authority- big difference.

 

[Moot]

Regulation was never intended to include forcing a belief- it was intended to help prevent one gaining a legal advantage over another- so, for Michigan to enFORCE its ban it's going to have to rely on states that don't use it to support their regulation- it will create a black market giving a legal advantage to other states- in other words- FAIL as "regulation"- it may add to the domestic wars though- drugs, poverty, property rights, etc- but it's regulatory effectiveness is political show fodder for fools.

It's not about belief for the government....it's about public health. The government has a vested interest in having a healthy population both for business and potential war.

 

[Moot]

Actually the gov't has no "rights"- it was granted *limited* authority- big difference.

It has the rights enumerated in the Constitution.

 

[Bullseye]

There are millions of nicotine addicts.Yet another Black Market!
And people being shot for a pack of cigs!

Sure, fine. :roll:

 

[Gdjjr]

It has the rights enumerated in the Constitution.

No it doesn't- rights are inherent. It has authority granted. Period. Rights can't be given, or taken- authority can.

 

[Gdjjr]

It's not about belief for the government....it's about public health. The government has a vested interest in having a healthy population both for business and potential war.

Its about control- authority granted- nowhere in the granted authority is there anything about what citizens ingest- the "believe" the gov't has that authority speaks to the lack of education inflicted by another lack of authorization-

 

[Thoreau72]

I was reading this piece this morning talking about how the state of Michigan is banning all flavored vaping materials, except tobacco flavor; several other cities have enacted similar measures but it got me thinking. There's been some talk on the hazards of vaping - there's even been a death attributed to vaping.

So, I'm wondering why, if these entities are so attuned to the health concerns of their constituents, why only go after vaping. Don't far more people get sick and die from smoking tobacco? Why not ban the sales of cigarettes and other tobacco products. The percentage of people who smoke has been declining for a long time- why not just cut it to zero and be done with it?

Other than for about two days in Navy boot camp I've never smoked or vaped so I plead ignorance as to the attraction addictiveness.


I hate to be cynical (no I don't) but is it possible that to our elected representatives tax revenues from the sale of cigarettes are more important than our health?


Thoughts?

You raise excellent points, mainly the matter of health concerns clearly lacking, lip service only, by our elected representatives and appointed bureaucrats in the FDA and elsewhere.

I'm not sure what the solution is to this vaping phenomenon, but it seems the harms caused by it are quite clear. The FDA is mostly silent, just as the entire government and mainstream media are silent about the health implications of 5G.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

I've been smoking pretty steady since I was 18ish. And I've got to say, you non-smoking crybabies need to STFU.

I decided that when cigs got to $5 per pack, that was it. I was gonna quit. When my brand got to $5 per pack, I switched to a cheaper brand, but didn't like them. They burned to fast and were too harsh.
My dad and I were talking one day about the cost of cigs, and he said he'd been rolling his own for a while now and paid about $1 per pack. I'd tried RYO (roll your own) cigs before and they were worse than the cheapest store bought cigs. Dad said the guy I got those from was probably using old tobacco.

So for like $25, I went to the local tobacco store and bought a 6oz bag of pipe tobacco (The good stuff), a box of 100mm tubes (200count) and a cheap cigarette injector for like $5. Took it all home and started rolling. The first few I completely screwed up. Either overpacked it, or under packed it.
But the first one I rolled right, was friggin awesome. After rolling about a carton of smokes, I got pretty good with this little injector. So I moved up to a better injector. And now I have an electric one, that practically rolls the cigs for you.

The local tobacco store here sells a 1lb bag of tobacco (American Club) for $16. 1lb makes about 2.5 cartons. I'll get 3 boxes of tubes for like $12. So for about $30, I can get over 2 cartons of good cigarettes. I tried many different types of pipe tobacco until I settled on a brand that I like. That's about a buck a pack. Instead of $55 a week, I'm down to about $8 to $10 per week.

So for all you cry baby smokers, here's mud in your eyes. And for us smokers, it's a win win.

I'm gonna smoke one now in celebrations to upsetting a non smoker.

 

[Gdjjr]

I've been smoking pretty steady since I was 18ish. And I've got to say, you non-smoking crybabies need to STFU.

I decided that when cigs got to $5 per pack, that was it. I was gonna quit. When my brand got to $5 per pack, I switched to a cheaper brand, but didn't like them. They burned to fast and were too harsh.
My dad and I were talking one day about the cost of cigs, and he said he'd been rolling his own for a while now and paid about $1 per pack. I'd tried RYO (roll your own) cigs before and they were worse than the cheapest store bought cigs. Dad said the guy I got those from was probably using old tobacco.

So for like $25, I went to the local tobacco store and bought a 6oz bag of pipe tobacco (The good stuff), a box of 100mm tubes (200count) and a cheap cigarette injector for like $5. Took it all home and started rolling. The first few I completely screwed up. Either overpacked it, or under packed it.
But the first one I rolled right, was friggin awesome. After rolling about a carton of smokes, I got pretty good with this little injector. So I moved up to a better injector. And now I have an electric one, that practically rolls the cigs for you.

The local tobacco store here sells a 1lb bag of tobacco (American Club) for $16. 1lb makes about 2.5 cartons. I'll get 3 boxes of tubes for like $12. So for about $30, I can get over 2 cartons of good cigarettes. I tried many different types of pipe tobacco until I settled on a brand that I like. That's about a buck a pack. Instead of $55 a week, I'm down to about $8 to $10 per week.

So for all you cry baby smokers, here's mud in your eyes. And for us smokers, it's a win win.

I'm gonna smoke one now in celebrations to upsetting a non smoker.

I'll smoke to that! LOL

 

[Napoleon]

You raise excellent points, mainly the matter of health concerns clearly lacking, lip service only, by our elected representatives and appointed bureaucrats in the FDA and elsewhere.

I'm not sure what the solution is to this vaping phenomenon, but it seems the harms caused by it are quite clear. The FDA is mostly silent, just as the entire government and mainstream media are silent about the health implications of 5G.

The only clear thing about this is that these people are idiots who bought DIY vaping pods and juice off the street and their drug dealers are mixing in a chemical additive that is causing these health problems. None of these cases involve vaping products available in stores or otherwise made by the manufacturers.

 

[Lursa]

People die every day- it can't be avoided. Hell, cops shoot more people than that.

Fortunately, one good thing the govt has done is to protect me from other people's smoke from being forced on me.

 

[Gdjjr]

Fortunately, one good thing the govt has done is to protect me from other people's smoke from being forced on me.

It encourages cops shooting people too-

 

[Lursa]

It encourages cops shooting people too-

Oh, are we listing all kinds of stuff not related to smoking now?

How much time do you have? :roll:

 

[Gdjjr]

Oh, are we listing all kinds of stuff not related to smoking now?

How much time do you have? :roll:

I'm retired I have all the time in the world- lets start with constitutional authority and go from there.
Can you cite the granted authority for politicians to determine what citizens can ingest?
Can you cite the granted authority for politicians to encourage cops shooting people?
When those are answered we can move on-