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Van Jones says that 'Trump is smarter than me, you, and all the critics'. Agree with Jones?

tobytone said:
I guess this is how this argument is supposed to go:
You: 'Trump's brains are not the issue. The issue is the LACK of brains by millions who supported him.'
Me: 'No the issue is the LACK of brains by millions who didn't supported him.'
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I agree--------I guess history will tell.

History, so far, has already judged trump poorly (according to 100% of presidential historians), and history is the best guide we have to predict the future. Let's remember this in 2028 and see who was right.
 
tshade said:
I agree--------I guess history will tell.

History, so far, has already judged trump poorly (according to 100% of presidential historians), and history is the best guide we have to predict the future. Let's remember this in 2028 and see who was right.
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WOW these historians must be really good at their job already writing history books/papers that go back almost a whole decade. Any chance you could share some of these historians, must be some compelling history books. 'A Historian's Deep Dive into a Decade of Presidential History' lol
 
tobytone said:
WOW these historians must be really good at their job already writing history books/papers that go back almost a whole decade.
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There is specific criteria developed, and they simply used it. They are the experts in this matter.

But I agree that perspective changes with time. For instance, IKE looks much better now than in 1960, and his ratings have risen.


One of the latest rankings have come from all historians in the American Pol. Science Asso., past and present members............but there are many others.......
 
tshade said:
There is specific criteria developed, and they simply used it. They are the experts in this matter.

But I agree that perspective changes with time. For instance, IKE looks much better now than in 1960, and his ratings have risen.


One of the latest rankings have come from all historians in the American Pol. Science Asso., past and present members............but there are many others.......
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Who is they? Was that supposed to be a source? You are all over the place dude. They have special criteria they used and 100% agree, then you say Ike looks better now than he did in 1960, what history book or paper did they write about him in 1960? I wonder. lol I don't wonder because nobody wrote a history paper or book about Ike ten years after his term.
 
tobytone said:
Who is they? Was that supposed to be a source?
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154 members of that society that are the experts on presidents
tobytone said:
You are all over the place dude. They have special criteria they used and 100% agree, then you say Ike looks better now than he did in 1960,
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history sheds light on things----perspective
tobytone said:
what history book or paper did they write about him in 1960?
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tons of them..........why???
tobytone said:
I wonder. lol I don't wonder because nobody wrote a history paper or book about Ike ten years after his term.
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he was still prez...................................yeah, historians do.


I take it You didn't like history, unless you are just pretending to be.............you know........
 
tshade said:
154 members of that society that are the experts on presidents

history sheds light on things----perspective

tons of them..........why???

he was still prez...................................yeah, historians do.


I take it You didn't like history, unless you are just pretending to be.............you know........
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Why don't you give me just one example of your 100% so I can learn
 
tshade said:
Lisa Martin.
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It was a fool errand. Anyone writing about Trump is writing current events not history. A bit too early for that. This is as low as I'm gonna go with this convo. Merry Christmas to you and yours
 
tobytone said:
It was a fool errand. Anyone writing about Trump is writing current events not history. A bit too early for that. This is as low as I'm gonna go with this convo. Merry Christmas to you and yours
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Criteria was used to judge.................you don't completely get it, but that's okay. I agree that historical perspective can change and even be clearer over time. But do not dismiss experts.

Merry Christmas.
 
tshade said:
Criteria was used to judge.................you don't completely get it, but that's okay. I agree that historical perspective can change and even be clearer over time. But do not dismiss experts.

Merry Christmas.
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Maybe it isn't wise to dismiss experts but I don't give their conclusions any more weight than I would give yours. Very few of the talking heads or 'experts' have a better track record than the average person on the streets or on this platform.
 
tobytone said:
Maybe it isn't wise to dismiss experts but I don't give their conclusions any more weight than I would give yours.
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that is foolish,.............................tell that to your surgeon but they put you out. Good grief, no wonder trump got elected.........
tobytone said:
Very few of the talking heads or 'experts' have a better track record than the average person on the streets or on this platform.
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Experts certainly do.........their minds are to your mind as yours is to the beasts of the jungle..........
 
tobytone said:
I guess this is how this argument is supposed to go:
You: 'Trump's brains are not the issue. The issue is the LACK of brains by millions who supported him.'
Me: 'No the issue is the LACK of brains by millions who didn't supported him.'
Repeat
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Beliefs have consequences. I guess one way to clear this logjam is to look at consequences of believing different things.

So it turns out Trump voting areas died at 3 times the rate of everyone else during Covid.

www.theguardian.com

People in counties that voted Trump more likely to die from Covid – study

Areas that voted for Trump by at least 60% in November 2020 had 2.7 times the death rate than counties that voted heavily for Biden
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

The cause was looked into, and it turned out to be be because they were older or sicker or anything like that. It was traced to abject ignorance and the cesspool of misinformation they live in 24-7. Hard to argue with consequences.

"We discuss several mechanisms explaining why, to some extent universally, conservatives (the right-wing oriented public) were less likely to follow public health recommendations, were more COVID-19 vaccine-hesitant, and had increased infection rates, poorer health outcomes, and increased mortality compared to left-wing oriented public. The mechanisms explaining the links include the media, trust, cognitions, and values. We conclude the chapter with lessons learned during the COVID-19 pandemic and future research directions on the pandemics' politicization."
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Politicization of the COVID-19 Pandemic - PubMed

Political actors and institutions are largely responsible for effectively implementing the latest scientific and medical information in the form of public health measures. However, when politicians' judgments and decision-making are not founded on scientific facts or when scientific findings are...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Politicization of COVID-19 health-protective behaviors in the United States: Longitudinal and cross-national evidence - PMC

During the initial phase of the COVID-19 pandemic, U.S. conservative politicians and the media downplayed the risk of both contracting COVID-19 and the effectiveness of recommended health behaviors. Health behavior theories suggest perceived ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9115435/
 
VySky said:
Trump is a genius at

WINNING
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How many bankruptcies? Is that winning?
The thing he is good at is tricking people of low integrity and intelligence into worshipping him
 
SCrider said:
How many bankruptcies? Is that winning?
The thing he is good at is tricking people of low integrity and intelligence into worshipping him
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Trump has cost his family billions of dollars. He’s not good with money, and he loves to litigate - and often does poorly there as well. He’s a fraud, but he was able to con enough American voters - twice.

He’s a prolific liar.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Not for Trump. He doesn't have to run again. The Republicans are going to be on their own if they don't get things done. Trump will ask a lot of Congress and the republicans need to stand together.
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What's the matter? Having trouble with the GOP split?

I feel you. We have the same problem.
 
The AntiDonald said:
I agree. Donald Trump is the smartest conman in the world. That doesn't say much for the ones he's conned.
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I have been saying this for 10 years.

But to think his followers are stupid is incorrect. Anyone can fall for a con man if what they are selling is what you believe to be true.

Yes, you and i too are susceptible. Not to Trump but to other types of charismatic leaders that say what we want to hear.
 
noonereal said:
Not true at all. He made a ton on money at the Casinos he bankrupted.



And it is a very effective tool for him.



Yep
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Big picture, given the start he had, trump should be worth many more billions than he is. He has squandered much of his wealth.
 
BabaVoss said:
Big picture, given the start he had, trump should be worth many more billions than he is. He has squandered much of his wealth.
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False

Listen, i hate the guy but he makes money.

He simply does not make it as a responsible businessman.
 
BabaVoss said:
Big picture, given the start he had, trump should be worth many more billions than he is. He has squandered much of his wealth.
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Nope

He is a riverboat gambler that has wins and losses.

In the end, he has tons of cash. Want to buy a hat? Give money to charity? Get a diploma?
Get it?
 
noonereal said:
Nope

He is a riverboat gambler that has wins and losses.

In the end, he has tons of cash. Want to buy a hat? Give money to charity? Get a diploma?
Get it?
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$20B vs $5B
 
Van Jones mistakes malice, aggression and the good fortune of a lot of daddy's mob connections for wit. Van Jones is also just a bum.
 
reinaert said:
Van Jones mistakes malice, aggression and the good fortune of a lot of daddy's mob connections for wit. Van Jones is also just a bum.
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Who is he? Dude keeps mentioning him as if we're expected to know who he is.
 
Luce said:
Who is he? Dude keeps mentioning him as if we're expected to know who he is.
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CNN analyst. Supposedly a Marxist, but CNN only employs center-right contrarians and public masturbators.
 
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