Van Connection: Bomb Sniffing Dogs Alerted to Explosives on 9/11

[creativedreams]

There are a few incidents during 9/11 that vans either were carrying large amounts of explosives or were in the past alerting bomb sniffing dogs.

Could these vans have been used to transport explosive to the World Trade Center buildings days or months before 9/11?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbKNHjn2jDQ"]YouTube- PROOF 9/11 van explosion at WTC[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHq6JocvDM"]YouTube- 911 Explosive laden van 2-3 arrests[/ame]

Could these vans have been directly involved in what ABC News describes the World Trade Center buildings as "Exploding Like A Bag Of Flour"?

New World Trade Center 9/11 aerial images from ABC News | Mail Online


ABC News: "Skyscrapers Exploding Like a Bag of Flour"

Again, could these vans have been used to transport explosive to the World Trade Center buildings days or months before 9/11?

Well let's see if there are any connections...



September 11, 2001 – The five dancing ‘Arabs’
Five Middle Eastern men, using a white van, dancing and celebrating in different places, and videotaping the attacks were reported to the police by several New Jersey residents. These men were making shouts of joy and mockery, jumping in joy, making fun of the WTC ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. They had set up the video cameras prior to the planes hitting the towers.

One anonymous call to the police led them to close all of New York’s bridges and Tunnels after the caller said that a group of Palestinians with white sheikh uniforms were mixing a bomb in a white van and were headed for the Holland Tunnel.

The white van was apprehended as it approached the George Washington Bridge to New York, and the people in it turned out to be Israelis. The driver, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers that they were Israelis and not their problem but the Palestinians were NYPD’s problem. These Israelis were found with maps of the city with several places highlighted, boxcutters, $4,700 stuffed in a sock and foreign passports. The police brought bomb sniffing dogs and the dogs positively responded to traces of explosives that had been in the van. Their cameras were confiscated and the photos developed by the police. One of the photos showed Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smoldering ruins of the WTC towers, in a celebratory gesture.

Two of these five Israelis were determined by the FBI to be Mossad agents, and the van they were using belonged to Urban Moving systems, a Mossad front. These 5 Israelis were in custody for 71 days and released when orders came to close the investigation, presumably from the White House.

Israeli Mossad: Equal to the CIA for the U.S. the Mossad is the National Intelligence Agency for Israel. The Mossad organization performs intelligence collection and covert operations.

Washington Times ran an article in Sept. 2001 quoting U.S. intelligence sources who described Israel's Mossad as a wild card that's Ruthless and Cunning. "The Mossad has penetrated every Muslim organization and would have no problems finding any number of fanatics to carry out a suicide mission."

The Mossad spies were discovered using a front company named Urban Moving Systems.

Cont...

 

[creativedreams]

Cont...

FBI had discovered an Israeli Spy Ring doing work around the World Trade Center buildings.

Some of these Agents were active in the Israeli Military and explosive experts as stated on live Media coverage.

It was later determined by FBI that the terror suspects managed to stay a step ahead of FBI by knowing when and who are investigators.

It was also determined that the Israel Mossad were watching a group of Arabs in the U.S. which reminds me of the article in the Washington Post..."the Mossad has penetrated every Muslim organization and would have no problems finding any number of fanatics to carry out a suicide mission"

Here is live News footage that may bring to light how this connects...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKj60CqlA-Y"]YouTube- 911 Israeli Spy Scandal 1[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jgnBwQr2AU"]YouTube- 911 Israeli Spy Scandal 2[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sB1Rvi-TsY"]YouTube- 911 Israeli Spy Scandal 3[/ame]

 

[creativedreams]

The first News footage in this thread features Bernard Kerik, NY Police Department leader, along with Rudy Giuliani, both of whom were propped up by our controlled Media as "9/11 Heroes"

Well let's see how heroic these guys really are?

Here was part of one of my previous posts that has interesting connections to the "Treefort" crew of Building 7...

New York's Bernard Kerik a 9/11 hero Police Chief recently jailed...

Bernard Kerik was Chief of Police under a 9/11 hero Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was part of the "Treefort" crew.

New York's 9/11 hero secretly accepted more than $250,000 in renovations to his apartment from a construction firm with suspected mafia ties while he was Corrections Department Commissioner under Mayor Rudy Giuliani through 9/11.

New York '9/11 hero police chief' jailed - Telegraph

 

[creativedreams]

Was the dirty work of setting explosives in the World Trade Center buildings outsourced to a foreign spy agency after a few key players set up access to the World Trade Centers?

If so then when and how were there timeframes allowed in for access so this could be pulled off?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZKS73tNVL8&feature=related"]YouTube- Marvin Bush the WTC Power-Downs Just Prior to 9 11.flv[/ame]

 

[creativedreams]

Did this company outsource work to the Mossad in the World Trade Center buildings?

Tom Leppert the CEO for Turner Construction which did many months of construction renovation work on the World Trade Center buildings up to the very day of 9/11 went on to be appointed by George Bush to the President's Commission on White House Fellows.
Turner Construction Company
[url=http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/fellows/about/commission.html]White House Fellowships: Commission Members[/URL]

Interesting metaphore how the link for that site spells out "fellows about commission"...

Turner Construction worked hand and hand with Controlled Demolition Inc(CDI) on many demolition projects.

Look at the website for Controlled Demolition Inc and it states right in there that part of their work includes "classified" work for the U.S. Department of Defense on sensitive projects both domestically and internationally.
Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Government

Turner Construction Company AND Controlled Demolition Inc BOTH helped performed clean-up at ground zero in which all the steel (evidence) got shipped overseas mostly to China, except for a few hand picked pieces to be sent to NIST for inspection and for part of a memorial ship.

Turner Construction had a main office located in the third sub-basement of Tower 1. Turner Construction had been performing construction renovation work in various parts throughout the WTC centers and had occupied various office spaces.

A WTC property assessment described some of the renovations as work upon steel support columns within and around elevator shafts of both WTC Towers.

Turner Construction also constructed the new headquarters for the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) which manages a laboratory for energetics, explosive materials, propellents, etc and the only reliable source of aluminum nano-powders(nano-thermite) in the United States.
http://manganaro.com/projgovt.html

 

[creativedreams]

Was the "Treefort" in Building 7 the 9/11 Cockpit after the Mossad and CIA lured the willing terrorists into the U.S.?

A very controversial Command Bunker was designed on the 23rd floor of Buiding 7.

This "Bunker" as described by the Press was highly criticized because of the cost of over $15 Million Dollars.

The 50,000 sq. ft. "Bunker" on the 23rd floor of WTC7 went through many construction renovations and upgrades putting in bulletproof windows, bomb resistant walls as well as its own air supply and back up generators.

This "Treefort" had rooms full of video monitors from where the Mayor could oversee City Emergency Planning.

This "Skybox" was staffed around the clock...

The Office of Emergency Management(OMC) was created by Mayor Rudolph Giuliani in 1996 which he organized a team of High Ranking Emergency Officials from various agencies such as Police Department, Fire Department, FEMA, Port Authority, Counter Terrorism, Etc.

This new emergency group had their "Skybox" officially open in June 8, 1999.

This group mainly focused on counterterrorism.

This "Treefort" was greatly ridiculed for its cost, location, and other various reasons.

The Press dubbed it names such as "Bunker", "Skybox", "Treefort", etc.

Time Author Philip Shenon: "seemed the supreme example of how Guiliani's ego and arrogance knew no bounds"

WABC Radio mocked Guiliani with a "Name-That-Bunker" contest for its listeners.

This "Treefort" was highly criticized not only for its massive cost but also for its location right next to one of America's biggest terrorist targets the WTC Twin Towers.

In addition it was criticized for the high floor it was on making it vulnerable to power, water, and elevator outages.

Perhaps most controversial was the 6,000 gallon fuel tank placed in the building.

In 1998 & 1999, Fire Department Officials warned that the tank violated City Fire Codes and poses a hazard. According to one Fire Dept Memorandum, "if the tank were to leak or catch fire it would mean disaster".

The 6,000 gallon fuel tank was positioned about 15 feet above the ground floor between the 2nd and 3rd floors and was near several lobby elevators.

This large tank of fuel was meant to fuel generators that would supply electricity to the 23rd floor "Treefort" in the event of power failure.

Rudolph ("Rudy") Giuliani

 

[mike2810]

this is nothing new.

Question. I have seen post that said the news media is controlled by the govt. Why would the govt. let such stories out? Have you ever seen a breaking news cast that turned out not quite the truth? I have seen many times during disaster coverage were the news sensationalize the story to get ratings and eventially corrects itself or drops the story.

 

[creativedreams]

this is nothing new.

Question. I have seen post that said the news media is controlled by the govt. Why would the govt. let such stories out? Have you ever seen a breaking news cast that turned out not quite the truth? I have seen many times during disaster coverage were the news sensationalize the story to get ratings and eventially corrects itself or drops the story.

My posts are pieces to a puzzle that slip out.....and never investigated again.

Our media which used to investigate everything under the sun has somehow evolved to be just a propaganda beacon for the two main political parties playing musical chairs politics.

suspect the fact that anyone that may pose a risk to the "official story" will be demolished by todays controlled media to keep them from gaining popularity and therefore keeping them from a government position. Media propaganda is the key to keep the key players in office. The only way to achieve this is follow the money through our corporate run government who's connected with corporate media making them one in the same.

 

[mike2810]

My posts are pieces to a puzzle that slip out.....and never investigated again.

Our media which used to investigate everything under the sun has somehow evolved to be just a propaganda beacon for the two main political parties playing musical chairs politics.

suspect the fact that anyone that may pose a risk to the "official story" will be demolished by todays controlled media to keep them from gaining popularity and therefore keeping them from a government position. Media propaganda is the key to keep the key players in office. The only way to achieve this is follow the money through our corporate run government who's connected with corporate media making them one in the same.

Another conspiracy? what a wicked web you weave.

 

[creativedreams]

Another conspiracy? what a wicked web you weave.

Clearly you are only going to see what you want to see and you will continue to search for any little shred to keep in denial.

Believe what you want......everything I post I try and keep it verifiable and indisputable facts and if the truth is too much for you to bear then.........well I don't blame you.

 

[creativedreams]

Documentary of many witnesses on Live News Footage......

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWgFRPsdWdg"]YouTube- 9/11 BOMB MONTAGE[/ame]

 

[mike2810]

Clearly you are only going to see what you want to see and you will continue to search for any little shred to keep in denial.

Believe what you want......everything I post I try and keep it verifiable and indisputable facts and if the truth is too much for you to bear then.........well I don't blame you.

You too. Believe what you want. If the truth is to much to bear, then move on.

 

[creativedreams]

You too. Believe what you want. If the truth is to much to bear, then move on.

Well I'm not moving on, so then I guess it's not too much to bear.

For many it only takes a couple of indisputable points and they bail out, because the truth is too much to bear for their fragile minds and ignorant bliss is a much better option.

 

[creativedreams]

Another conspiracy? what a wicked web you weave.

What a wicked web I weave?

Don't you think perhaps the wicked web has already been weaved long before I came along?

I am only showing some indesputable facts that anyone can find and how they connect is how they connect...

 

[mike2810]

Well I'm not moving on, so then I guess it's not too much to bear.

For many it only takes a couple of indisputable points and they bail out, because the truth is too much to bear for their fragile minds and ignorant bliss is a much better option.

Not bailing either. Just wish you would sometimes answer questions instead of dodging them. But if you want to continue to just spill worthless responses by all means. It shows your skills in defending your stance.
So lets get back on topic.

 

[mike2810]

CD:
Question for you. Is it possilbe for something to explode without explosives (i.e. bomb, tnt, c4,etc).?

 

[creativedreams]

CD:
Question for you. Is it possilbe for something to explode without explosives (i.e. bomb, tnt, c4,etc).?

Yes, starting when I was 13 my parents used to drive me and a couple friends a couple miles out of town and drop us off for the weekend. We would hike about a mile to a spot we called Twin Ponds. It was an awesome place between two very picturesque ponds that had great fishing, and loud frogs etc at night.

(backtrack) Where I grew up, my friends and I started hunting on our own when we were about 10. We would carry our cased guns through town and walk a mile out and do some hunting and shooting....guess I was trying to make a point us 13yr olds were fairly safe with a lot of outdoor experience to be on our own.

Anyways...sometimes when we wanted to horse around, we would build a fire a ways away from our campsite and experiment with throwing various items in the fire to see what kinds of explosions we got...:mrgreen:

We would sometimes pack items like aerosol cans, etc specifically for this event. One of the funnest...and a little expensive was throwing a box of gunshells in the fire and diving over the bank...:mrgreen:

 

[mike2810]

CD
Did some of the same things as you growing up on camping trips. The reason I asked the question is getting back on dealing with what people heard WTC 1,2,7 (explosion) during 911.

I am willing to say that one explanation to the sound may be from a explosive planted in the building. I am also willing to say another explanation was the sound was created by the collapsing process or from the fires burning material within the building.

Will you agree with:
- There are eye witness (mostly non specialists/ civialians) that said they heard an explosion (noise).
- There are vids with soundtrack showing the building and various sounds.
- There are reports that state findings from studied tapes, siesmic data, chemical analysis which says the sound was not from a bomb(explosive).
- We have reports that say it was from a bomb.
- One report is official, the others are not.

I will stipulate that someone is not telling the truth.

Where we will most likely disagree on is which is correct.

 

[creativedreams]

CD
Did some of the same things as you growing up on camping trips. The reason I asked the question is getting back on dealing with what people heard WTC 1,2,7 (explosion) during 911.

I am willing to say that one explanation to the sound may be from a explosive planted in the building. I am also willing to say another explanation was the sound was created by the collapsing process or from the fires burning material within the building.

Will you agree with:
- There are eye witness (mostly non specialists/ civialians) that said they heard an explosion (noise).
- There are vids with soundtrack showing the building and various sounds.
- There are reports that state findings from studied tapes, siesmic data, chemical analysis which says the sound was not from a bomb(explosive).
- We have reports that say it was from a bomb.
- One report is official, the others are not.

I will stipulate that someone is not telling the truth.

Where we will most likely disagree on is which is correct.

I believe a lot of the witness testimonies were taken out of context when they actually...

*Just heard the plane hitting the building(but didn't see it) and assumed it was an explosion.

*Just heard steel striking the building they were in after it flew off one of the Twin Towers from a plane striking it.

*Were in a building when the one next to it collapsed and the steel landing close by sounded like an explosion.

*Possibly Barry's statement about the explosions were when one of the Towers collapsed and when he describes the Lobby of Building 7 looking like a bomb went off it may have been from the antenna from the Tower Collapse that caused it. I would have to look at the timeframes of his claim vs collapse times for this to be sure.

*Etc.

I don't like some of the intentional manipulation of information because it makes it a daunting task to filter through and verify information.

 

[creativedreams]

- We have reports that say it was from a bomb.
- One report is official, the others are not.

I will stipulate that someone is not telling the truth.
.

Did the official report have to do with a van?

 

[Tashah]

Clearly you are only going to see what you want to see and you will continue to search for any little shred to keep in denial.

Denial?

What you're doing here is shifting the blame for 9/11 from those who actually did it (Saudis) to Israelis.

Clearly, you are nothing more than a conspiracist, propagandist, and revisionist.

It's no wonder most sane folks avoid this crappy forum.

 

[creativedreams]

Denial?

What you're doing here is shifting the blame for 9/11 from those who actually did it (Saudis) to Israelis.

Clearly, you are nothing more than a conspiracist, propagandist, and revisionist.

It's no wonder most sane folks avoid this crappy forum.

The definition of sane is a term of relativity.

Usually when people get an avalanche of information, they cannot comprehend it, and write it off as insane.

A lot like when the masses accused the few of being insane when they were told the Earth revolved around the sun. The masses couldn't comprehend the avalanche of information that questioned the very core of their beliefs and existence so therefore accused them of being insane, kooks, conspirators, etc. even to the point of beheading many scientists.

One of my favorite sayings "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" also fits in with entire societies......

 

[creativedreams]

revisionist.

Revisionist? Should it be common sense to be one, considering how things are working out for today's society?

I realize you're from Israel and I'm sorry If I offend you in any way and if you have anything to bring to the table to dispute what I post I am open to see it and re-evaluate posts as necessary.

 

[Tashah]

I realize you're from Israel and I'm sorry If I offend you in any way and if you have anything to bring to the table to dispute what I post I am open to see it and re-evaluate posts as necessary.

I usually avoid this forum like the plague. There is a cogent reason why all your threads reside here in Conspiracy. This is one of the few forums here at DP where one can distort, fabricate, manipulate, and lie with relative impunity.

You have crapped up this forum more than all other members combined. As far as I can determine, your sole agenda here at DP is to demonize the governments of the United States and Israel via conspiricist bunk. From me at least, you'll get the laurels you have earned and deserve.

 

[creativedreams]

I usually avoid this forum like the plague. There is a cogent reason why all your threads reside here in Conspiracy. This is one of the few forums here at DP where one can distort, fabricate, manipulate, and lie with relative impunity.

You have crapped up this forum more than all other members combined. As far as I can determine, your sole agenda here at DP is to demonize the governments of the United States and Israel via conspiricist bunk. From me at least, you'll get the laurels you have earned and deserve.

So simply wanting a new investigation into 9/11 makes me all this?

Perhaps all conspiracy forums at all websites should be deleted because there is simply no such thing as conspiracy's.

It is the propaganda that sways the masses to paste people that look at the possibility of conspiracy's that is the true manipulator.

No governments should ever be investigated to see if they have been infiltrated by crooks.

No conspiracy's should ever be investigated to see if they are true.

Period.