Using abortion against a D candidate will no longer be effective. It will be the opposite (for decades). Anti women's privacy is now THE wedge issue.

[Acadia]

If only most Americans cared about "wedge" issues fabricated by the media. This isn't just wishful thinking: it's delusional thinking. Americans want the economy they lived under when Trump was President.
They might not like Trump, but they know we weren't in a proxy war with Russia, inflation wasn't 8+%, gas wasn't $5 a gallon, groceries weren't doubled in price and crime wasn't on the rise everywhere.

Good luck with your little well-know and even less-cared about "wedge" issue come November.

 

[Linc]

You seem so sure about that. That women are stupid and only vote on one issue.

That phony xtians are stupid and only vote on one issue.

Rehnquist and Roberts were astute to prevent a vote on Roe, keeping it alive as an election issue.

 

[Jezcoe]

I don't think they are. It's called the democratic process. AS you say, if people are unhappy with the laws in their state, they can vote the bums out. I frankly just don't see it happening.

It took one woman's unneeded death in Ireland to cause a sea change on abortion in that country.

I know that the US is pretty immune to caring about about people dying needless death... but now that there is an actual threat to rights instead of a theoretical one... I think we are going to see shift in the conversation.

 

[Jezcoe]

If only most Americans cared about "wedge" issues fabricated by the media. This isn't just wishful thinking: it's delusional thinking. Americans want the economy they lived under when Trump was President.
They might not like Trump, but they know we weren't in a proxy war with Russia, inflation wasn't 8+%, gas wasn't $5 a gallon, groceries weren't doubled in price and crime wasn't on the rise everywhere.

Good luck with your little well-know and even less-cared about "wedge" issue come November.

The GOP is shitting on Trans kids as a wedge issue.

Wedge issues matter more than you want to think.

 

[Rawley]

It took one woman's unneeded death in Ireland to cause a sea change on abortion in that country.

I know that the US is pretty immune to caring about about people dying needless death... but now that there is an actual threat to rights instead of a theoretical one... I think we are going to see shift in the conversation.

The sea change was to permit abortion during the first twelve weeks, and later in cases where the pregnant woman's life or health is at risk, or in the cases of a fatal fetal abnormality.

This law is more restrictive (15 weeks with exceptions thereafter) than the Miss. law presently before the SC.

 

[Buckeyes85]

The GOP is shitting on Trans kids as a wedge issue.

Wedge issues matter more than you want to think.

He/she knows that but also knows they best chance they have in November is continue preaching the gloom and doom, chicken little the sky is falling claims about the "economy."

Of course, to them, "the economy" is at any given moment a cherry picked list of negative items, ignoring all else. Oh, and also perpetuating the fantasy that none of this would have happened under Trump. No invasion of Ukraine, no worldwide oil shortage, no supply chain shortages- all would have been perfect.

 

[Gatsby]

I tend to agree that there will be a lot of backlash in states that ban abortion. That's not to say that some states won't do it anyway...but blanket bans on abortion aren't THAT popular even in a lot of red states.

I suspect that what we'll see are blue states where basically nothing changes, purple and light-red states that put some restrictions in place but basically don't mess with abortion during the first trimester, and some deep-red states that ban abortion entirely.

It might be politically neutral for the first few election cycles, as everything shakes out according to the state's hue. But beyond that I think it's going to be a political headache for Republicans.

 

[Jezcoe]

The sea change was to permit abortion during the first twelve weeks, and later in cases where the pregnant woman's life or health is at risk, or in the cases of a fatal fetal abnormality.

This law is more restrictive (15 weeks with exceptions thereafter) than the Miss. law presently before the SC.

Ireland's laws on prohibition on abortion were incredibly restrictive. That changed in 2018.

Generally people like to gain rights... not lose them.

 

[Rawley]

Ireland's laws on prohibition on abortion were incredibly restrictive. That changed in 2018.

Generally people like to gain rights... not lose them.

At the end of the day, I predict very few women will be losing any "rights." Again the law challenged in Miss. was 15 weeks, with the typical exceptions thereafter. Everyone can figure out in four months whether or not you want to have the bab.

 

[Grand Mal]

I highly doubt it. The extent to which Biden and the Democrats have ****ed up the economy will drown out any abortion concerns, by far.

Is your economy ****ed up?

 

[Buckeyes85]

At the end of the day, I predict very few women will be losing any "rights." Again the law challenged in Miss. was 15 weeks, with the typical exceptions thereafter. Everyone can figure out in four months whether or not you want to have the bab.

That argument does not fly.
Had this court left Roe in place, but agreed 15 weeks was a reasonable time frame, you'd be right.
But they didn't (or won't). A reversal of Roe means the states can enact any law they want and several already have on the books outright bans- just waiting for the decision to drop.

 

[CaughtInThe]

That argument does not fly.
Had this court left Roe in place, but agreed 15 weeks was a reasonable time frame, you'd be right.
But they didn't (or won't). A reversal of Roe means the states can enact any law they want and several already have on the books outright bans- just waiting for the decision to drop.

I think a ton of old dudes have sat on Fox News for decades and have no idea about what happens in the real world

 

[CaughtInThe]

You keep imagining that young women are going to save your party. They are not.

Stay in denial until you pass away. It's easier for the coming generations that way.

 

[Rawley]

Is your economy ****ed up?

9% inflation. $100 to fill up the car. Yup - ****ed up.

 

[Rawley]

Stay in denial until you pass away. It's easier for the coming generations that way.

What's going to be the excuse when your party gets Hammered in November?

 

[CaughtInThe]

What's going to be the excuse when your party gets Hammered in November?

This issue isn't about one election. This issue is about the next 50 years.

And all the old Confederates doing this stuff today won't be voting then. 10 year olds will.

 

[Rawley]

That argument does not fly.
Had this court left Roe in place, but agreed 15 weeks was a reasonable time frame, you'd be right.
But they didn't (or won't). A reversal of Roe means the states can enact any law they want and several already have on the books outright bans- just waiting for the decision to drop.

Yes, we've heard the pro-abortion crowd screaming that the sky will fall in June. I doubt it. Regardless, it will probably shook out by November and the voters can decide.

 

[Rawley]

This issue isn't about one election. This issue is about the next 50 years.

And all the old Confederates doing this stuff today won't be voting then. 10 year olds will.

Really? It's the pro-life folks doing this stuff now that were 10 year olds 50 years ago. Why would you think people will be any less pro-life 50 years from now?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Really? It's the pro-life folks doing this stuff now that were 10 year olds 50 years ago. Why would you think people will be any less pro-life 50 years from now?

So you really didn't know that Mitch McConnell and SCJs were once 10 years old or that things in our country get more liberal over time?

And, ironically, Mitch was 10yo in the South before Civil Rights and RvW.

 

[Rawley]

So you really didn't know that Mitch McConnell and SCJs were once 10 years old or that things in our country get more liberal over time?

And, ironically, Mitch was 10yo in the South before Civil Rights and RvW.

I'll ask again, why would you think people will be any less pro-life 50 years from now?

 

[CaughtInThe]

I'll ask again, why would you think people will be any less pro-life 50 years from now?

you know how Fox and conservatives have harped and harped harped and harped and harped and harped about abortion since RvW (while liberals and women relaxed)? It's done a complete 180. now women, and sane men who want them to keep their privacy, are gonna harp and harp and harp and harp and harp and harp about women's privacy rights every election for decades (or until the younger people grow up and reverse all this dumb stuff that the current Confederates have done.

and don't count on many current 10yos being raised on a education of how the south and slavery was right (or how women are second class citizens). it has been the opposite for a long time (save for the real racists/sexists who preach southern racism being right and just and women being chattel to their kids). and even those kids have a chance to grow away from their horrible racist/sexist parents.

 

[Rawley]

you know how Fox and conservatives have harped and harped harped and harped and harped and harped about abortion since RvW (while liberals and women relaxed)? It's done a complete 180. now women, and sane men who want them to keep their privacy, are gonna harp and harp and harp and harp and harp and harp about women's privacy rights every election for decades (or until the younger people grow up and reverse all this dumb stuff that the current Confederates have done.

and don't count on many current 10yos being raised on a education of how the south and slavery was right (or how women are second class citizens). it has been the opposite for a long time (save for the real racists/sexists who preach southern racism being right and just and women being chattel to their kids). and even those kids have a chance to grow away from their horrible racist/sexist parents.

Wow OK. Folks in 50 years won't be pro-life because you believe in fictional 10 year olds that thought 50 years ago that slavery was right. Can't argue with that.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Wow OK. Folks in 50 years won't be pro-life because you believe in fictional 10 year olds that thought 50 years ago that slavery was right. Can't argue with that.

No. Women will fight you old men to get their rights back (which will take awhile). They will use the abortion pill in ther interim. Some will be Republicans.

Hell, they already did it in the 60/70s. It's not like we all don't have an example to review.

 

[Rawley]

No. Women will fight you old men to get their rights back (which will take awhile). They will use the abortion pill in ther interim. Some will be Republicans.

Hell, they already did it in the 60/70s. It's not like we all don't have an example to review.

If women can get their abortions, exactly what are they fighting old me like for?

 

[CaughtInThe]

If women can get their abortions, exactly what are they fighting old me like for?

You should tweet the millions and ask.

You know what else a bunch of idiots have done? Turned young people (and many of their parents) away from the church. Ever so slowly. Year by year. Reversing RvW will speed that up even more.