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Using a firearm to defend oneself is not legal, because it denies a fair trial.

Bodhisattva said:
You lost me... I have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry. Do you mean assuming that people are in a militia?
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Assuming everyone, militia or not is as responsible and trustworthy with a firearm as I am unless shown otherwise. Seems the adult and respectful thing to do. To do otherwise is Trump think and typical elitist.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Post # 27 is yours (in fairness, you said "may" ) You were referring to my guns, link to where my guns "may" be used to kill kids?
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Apologies... I was referring to guns in a generic way but I can see that how I wrote it was pretty poorly worded.
 
BretJ said:
Assuming everyone, militia or not is as responsible and trustworthy with a firearm as I am unless shown otherwise. Seems the adult and respectful thing to do. To do otherwise is Trump think and typical elitist.
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I assume the vast majority of gun owners are responsible.
 
jimbo said:
Yes it is.
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It is what? Separated by full stops indicating they are not related or yes it is meaning I am correct?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Apologies... I was referring to guns in a generic way but I can see that how I wrote it was pretty poorly worded.
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Thank you, Bodhisattva, my guns are never loaded unless I am in the woods shooting, safely into a mudbank. It takes ten minutes and a degree of knowledge to load my guns. If you put regular, smokeless, gunpowder in them, you are holding a fragmentary, hand grenade.

Not many people shoot these, historical, reproductions.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is what? Separated by full stops indicating they are not related or yes it is meaning I am correct?
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They're related. The first phrase explains the second. The second stands alone.
 
jimbo said:
They're related. The first phrase explains the second. The second stands alone.
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Yeah... nope. That is not how English works.

It is written with an ablative clause...
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Thank you, Bodhisattva, my guns are never loaded unless I am in the woods shooting, safely into a mudbank. It takes ten minutes and a degree of knowledge to load my guns. If you put regular, smokeless, gunpowder in them, you are holding a fragmentary, hand grenade.

Not many people shoot these, historical, reproductions.
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My remaining black powder toy

Colt Pocket .31-Caliber (My favorite) - Italian replica
 
Fledermaus said:
My remaining black powder toy

Colt Pocket .31-Caliber (My favorite) - Italian replica
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Do you shoot it? I shoot mine and cast my bullets. About 12 rounds every other month, they are a pain to clean, mine are 44 cal pieta, the other Italian maker is Uberti. Dixie gun works is the go to site. Next on my list is the 41 cal, single shot derringer.

A bullet mold is a great investment.

Go out and shoot it!!!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yeah... nope. That is not how English works.

It is written with an ablative clause...
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Every SCOTUS decision on the collective view disagrees with you.

What is the subject and what is the predicate of the 2nd Amendment?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yeah... nope. That is not how English works.

It is written with an ablative clause...
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"The right of the people to keep and bear arms" is one phrase. And "shall not be infringed" applies to it. It is the only logical way of reading the structure of the sentence.




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Fledermaus said:
My remaining black powder toy

Colt Pocket .31-Caliber (My favorite) - Italian replica
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Sharps "Quigley" in 45-90... My favorite of all my firearms
 
blackjack50 said:
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms" is one phrase. And "shall not be infringed" applies to it. It is the only logical way of reading the structure of the sentence.
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Obviously if I am reading something else, then no, it is not the only logical way to read it. :roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Obviously if I am reading something else, then no, it is not the only logical way to read it. :roll:
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And whether one holds to the standard doctrine or the collective doctrine is the first step in discussing gun control. If one person is on one side and the second person the other, no further discussion on the finer points of gun control or violence control is necessary as every point of support for either position derives from that primary belief.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Does offering emotional drivel and Straw Man arguments work for you very often?
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Being robbed ,mutilated and or murdered is considered emotional drivel ? I don't happen to live in the land of fluffy kittens and unicorn farts.In the real world things happen and most
won't just throw up their hands and say oh well. Will most who are armed anyway.
 
Fledermaus said:
My remaining black powder toy

Colt Pocket .31-Caliber (My favorite) - Italian replica
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[video]https://www.youtube.com/user/taofledermaus[/video]
I love your channel on youtube :P Seriously, that's a must watch in my home.
 
Rucker61 said:
Every SCOTUS decision on the collective view disagrees with you.

What is the subject and what is the predicate of the 2nd Amendment?
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What does this sentence mean:

The game over, the team left the field.

Or this:

The speaker blown out, the radio was turned off.

and now this:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
 
zsu2357 said:
Being robbed ,mutilated and or murdered is considered emotional drivel ? I don't happen to live in the land of fluffy kittens and unicorn farts.In the real world things happen and most
won't just throw up their hands and say oh well. Will most who are armed anyway.
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No... your argument was.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What does this sentence mean:

The game over, the team left the field.
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The inning being over, the team left the field. Because the rains came, the team left the field. As it was dark, the team left the field. Evidently there are many reasons to leave a field. The militia clause is a sufficient but not necessary condition.

You'll note in the Militia Acts of 1793 that citizens practicing certain occupations were exempt from militia service. They were not prohibited in law from keeping and bear arms.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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We will need a militia, so we better make sure that the People have access to firearms without infringement.
 
Rucker61 said:
The inning being over, the team left the field. Because the rains came, the team left the field. As it was dark, the team left the field. Evidently there are many reasons to leave a field. The militia clause is a sufficient but not necessary condition.

You'll note in the Militia Acts of 1793 that citizens practicing certain occupations were exempt from militia service. They were not prohibited in law from keeping and bear arms.

We will need a militia, so we better make sure that the People have access to firearms without infringement.
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its amazing the verbal contortions some have to engage in in order to try to avoid the obvious. all one has to do is understand the concept of natural rights. if you do that, you quickly understand that the founders saw being armed and self defense as natural rights of free citizens-rights that the government they were creating, could not intrude upon
 
Rucker61 said:
The inning being over, the team left the field. Because the rains came, the team left the field. As it was dark, the team left the field. Evidently there are many reasons to leave a field. The militia clause is a sufficient but not necessary condition.

You'll note in the Militia Acts of 1793 that citizens practicing certain occupations were exempt from militia service. They were not prohibited in law from keeping and bear arms.

We will need a militia, so we better make sure that the People have access to firearms without infringement.
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No... the team left the field since the game was over...

just as... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed in order to have a well regulated militia...
 
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