You don't actually think that this regime is going to cut spending, just because we retreated from Afghanistan.
A-stan is a tribal culture without a real sense of national identity. They may call themselves Afghanis (aka Afghan people), some of the time, but their primary loyalties are to the tribe.
Doesn't matter. Afghanistan is not the US. What happens there is up to them.
It'll be up to us...again...in a few years.
Doesn't matter. Afghanistan is not the US. What happens there is up to them.
What happens there is up to them
It should never be up to us, and it wasn't when we invaded. Because our leaders didn't know better, were imperialistic, doesn't mean it was up to us.
Yeah, nevermind that we were attacked by people, hiding in Afghanistan, being given sanctuary by the Taliban.
But hey, let's go ahead and let history repeat itself. I hope it's not your kid that has to die in the next war, because we didn't finish this one.
Go get those people. Fine. No problem. Invade and take the nation away for the people? No. It is their country and not ours.
You still mistake a country for being responsible. Those who attacked us came from SA and Pakistan, our allies. They were not from Afghanistan. And OBL being there doesn't change that. Until you understand that we cannot invade enough countries to rid the world of an organization, you will keep supporting a repeat of the same mistakes.
It's not their country anymore, either. Obama is surrendering to the Taliban.
We can't fight a war without money. There's no point in trying to improve security situations overseas when our domestic situation is rapidly deteriorating. It would be like caring for the branches of a tree while the roots are rotting.
Obama's speech was succinct. We have more concerns on the home front. Will there be consequences to the withdrawal? Probably. But we have no choice if we are going to survive as a nation. The military is not sacrosanct under the economic conditions - nothing is.
We can't fight a war without money. There's no point in trying to improve security situations overseas when our domestic situation is rapidly deteriorating. It would be like caring for the branches of a tree while the roots are rotting.
Obama's speech was succinct. We have more concerns on the home front. Will there be consequences to the withdrawal? Probably. But we have no choice if we are going to survive as a nation. The military is not sacrosanct under the economic conditions - nothing is.
But there is no economic crisis currently in terms of our finances. We are not currently bankrupt and out of money. We can afford Afghanistan, I hate to tell you.
And, for the rest of our lives, we'll have to listen to the libbos go on-n-on about how we lost Afghanistan.
Doesn't matter. Afghanistan is not the US. What happens there is up to them.
But....but...didn't candidate Obama, in 2008, support the people of Afghanistan?
Obama calls situation in Afghanistan 'urgent' - CNN
You could have argued his point with a much better rebuttal than "obama is surrendering to the taliban".
Boo radley, we already are there, and simply "taking the nation away" is not what is occurring. Read all of cpwill's posts and tell me you still think a withdrawl is what is going to do it. You can't just track people down without having people on the ground.
Yeah, nevermind that we were attacked by people, hiding in Afghanistan, being given sanctuary by the Taliban.
But hey, let's go ahead and let history repeat itself. I hope it's not your kid that has to die in the next war, because we didn't finish this one.
I'm very familar with CP and his thoughts. We've discussed much over the years. Nor do I say we're taking the nation away. I state quite clearly that this is simply their country and up to them. Period. What we're doing has nothing to do with. Their country is theirs, for them to decide. Not us.
It went from being their country and up to them when a government that sheltered terrorists aimed at destroying our nation to being a country where we make the decisions until they get back on their feet a long time ago. My personal view? We should have colonized both Afghanistan and Iraq, and then have moved on to take other parts of the Middle East. That would've worked a lot better for us in the long run.
NO, it was still theirs. Afghanstan didn't attack us. Neither did the Taliban. Go get those who did. Fine. Invade and nation build, no. Imperialism comes at a cost.
But the point is, you're right. We cannot invade everywhere. Terrorism is global. It's not just one country, with one building that says "taliban" that we are fighting to take over. But the process is arleady in effect. WE have already gotten a footing and we should finish the job, that is, at the troop levels Obama has given, continue to fight to push the Taliban, since they influence the entire border region with Pakistan, and begin to train their forces until they can right seat.
But we didn't fully do imperialism though. We didn't get any benefit to our nation from it. We should have colonized the entire region and taken their oil.
heres the rest of my post I edited it while you made the response.
Yeah I don't blame you. I have some buddies who have made life time careers out of the Coast Guard but as enlisted military seems like a tough life, especially since you have a family. Wouldn't that be just great if you went to the NG then got deployed to Afghanistan...You're stationed in Japan right now though? Just basing that on your profile thing.
Maybe experiences were not too different then :d
I have a good feeling we are going to see those 4 fighting seasons
If this current withdrawl plan was really that bad and was going to be that horrible for security I have a feeling we'd have seen a major dissent amongst military leaders and some resignations in the civilian side
I know a military leader can't just take off his uniform when he disagrees with the President and go home, but if it was that bad I'd bet for example the guy appointed to be joint chiefs chair wouldn't have stuck around.
I thin we are going to see exactly what you said or something similar, but the military leaders are going to be able to handle it with that many troops the President has given the OK to. The withdrawl plan I think is stupid though you are right about that - one thing I noticed though is that 2014 isn't when we agree to leave, it's when we agree to put Afghanistan in full charge (we as in ISAF, not the us specfically)
But the thing is we were not focusing on training them years ago. That was not the policy of the Bush admin. We had around 20-40k troops in Afghanistan at the time.
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