US suicides hit an all-time high last year; a main driver is the growing availability of guns

[jaeger19]

Why?
Can the US not learn from the rest of the world?

We have. Which is why we still have firearms.

 

[Peter]

It would take the votes of 2/3 of both Houses of Congress and the votes of the legislatures of 38 states to make the necessary change, and unknown number of deaths to confiscate 400 million (not 260,000) guns.

State and local law enforcement are not obliged to enforce federal law. Red states won't help enforce a ban, nor would blue counties in red states. How effective would such a confiscation effort against a hostile population? How many British cops owned private weapons in 1996? How many US cops own private firearms now?

Even the "bans" proposed by Democrats don't take away a single firearm.

So because it isn't easy why bother?
Going to the moon wasn't easy and the US managed that, you can solve the gun issue if you bother trying but Republicans have sold themselves to the gun loby so nothing will ever change and the bodies will continue to pile up.

 

[Peter]

We have. Which is why we still have firearms.

Are you really so worried about a government gone wild you accept hundreds of school shootings?

 

[jaeger19]

Are you really so worried about a government gone wild you accept hundreds of school shootings?

Nope..I am not worried about governments gone wild..

Nor do I think that cars should be banned because sometimes people drive drunk.

The key to stopping violence is preventing a person from becoming violent..
Not focusing on the tool they might use.

 

[jaeger19]

So because it isn't easy why bother?
Going to the moon wasn't easy and the US managed that, you can solve the gun issue if you bother trying but Republicans have sold themselves to the gun loby so nothing will ever change and the bodies will continue to pile up.

There is no " gun issue".

 

[Peter]

There is no " gun issue".

The numbers for gun deaths says otherwise.
That you can't even see a problem with tens of thousands of dead a year because of guns shows why nothing will change.

 

[Rucker61]

So because it isn't easy why bother?
Going to the moon wasn't easy and the US managed that, you can solve the gun issue if you bother trying but Republicans have sold themselves to the gun loby so nothing will ever change and the bodies will continue to pile up.

If it was just a matter of money those Republicans would be Democrats. Bloomberg is the largest political donor in the last 20 years; George Soros is number 5. The NRA doesn't even make the top one hundred.

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Republicans oppose unconstitutional gun legislation because their constituents insist that they do. That's who they answer to.

The annual number of gun crimes is about 0.1% of the number of gun owners. Law abiding gun owners simply don't believe that the government should infringe their rights because a time percentage of the population abuses that right.

 

[Rucker61]

Are you really so worried about a government gone wild you accept hundreds of school shootings?

We don't have hundreds of school shootings. We'd have to confiscate every single one of the 400 million guns in the US to prevent all school shootings. Is that feasible?

 

[Rucker61]

The numbers for gun deaths says otherwise.
That you can't even see a problem with tens of thousands of dead a year because of guns shows why nothing will change.

How would we make the change? What would the end results look like?

Why do you ignore everything I've posted here explaining why the UK process won't work in the US?

 

[Peter]

How would we make the change? What would the end results look like?

Why do you ignore everything I've posted here explaining why the UK process won't work in the US?

Where did I mention the uk?
There are plenty of ways to limit access to firearms and republicans oppose all of them.

 

[Peter]

We don't have hundreds of school shootings. We'd have to confiscate every single one of the 400 million guns in the US to prevent all school shootings. Is that feasible?

I just did a quick google search and there have been 389 school shooting since Columbine.
The uk had one shooting in1996 and none since.

 

[CLAX1911]

Why?
Can the US not learn from the rest of the world?

The US isn't the rest of the world.

 

[CLAX1911]

I just did a quick google search and there have been 389 school shooting since Columbine.
The uk had one shooting in1996 and none since.

You really should be suspicious of such high numbers. What is considered a school shooting.

 

[Daddyo]

1. By their employers BUD.
Why should their employers have to deal with increased liability and cost because of tgeir behavior.
2. My employees can choose to work elsewhere.
And yes..my workers comp does cover work place exposures...hence why vaccination is important in order to reduce my costs. Not to mention the healthcare costs for employees..and the cost of overtime etc to cover employees out due to illness.
My employees getting covid is a HUGE cost to me..
It increases my liability if they give a patient covid..
It increases my workers comp if they get covid from the workplace.
It increases my costs for healthcare if they get sick and need tge doctor or medications or be hospitalized
It increases my costs in overtime..and lost revenue when they are out sick.

All that is bullshit. Government employers and leftist private employers demanded compliance or be fired. Most did not require vaccinations and did just fine.

And at no time did any mandate come in for or premium change happen from workman’s compensation because of Covid. None!

Your overtime and lost revenue are even worst if you fire that person for not taking the vaccine VS them being out for 4 to 6 days sick. Many good companies like mine simply monitored temperature and how employees felt. We also provided safety measures like social distancing, hand sanitizer, and germ cleaning between work days. I spent thousands. Zero infections at work. I finally caught the shit in a Texas sink hole exhibit while on vacation. And I was vaccinated.

Sick employees are a HUGE cost to you but fired employee are free lol. How ****ing stupid do you think we are to feed us that bullshit? Loss of production permanently vs 1 week in most cases. Training a new hire. Perhaps paying for advertisement or an agency to find someone. Hell finding a new hire was nearly impossible back then. You are full of political crap. If you even are a business owner you are fluffing things believing that others won’t know and just accept what you said because it sounds plausible.

Finally if you fired me for not taking the new not properly tested vaccine that was causing some side effects I would simply sue you. Like most companies and government agencies that did this to good employees, you likely used us when the danger was super high and there was no vaccine. We probably kept your doors open and profits coming in risking our lives daily. Only to be tossed out like trash once the left gave out your marching orders. Never mind our families. Never mind our sacrifice for you earlier lol pathetic.

I bet you were a mask nazi boss weren’t you lol?

 

[Daddyo]

You seem a bit desperate. Calm down.
This is a discussion about firearms as a contributing factor to successful suicide. Re-focus and get back to me.
Your firearm fantasies are a concern to me, as they should be to other thoughtful Americans, but they are not the reason for this discussion.

More deflection.

 

[Daddyo]

There are liberals on this site who are entirely supportive of gun rights. Put away your broad brush, and call the gun control zealots what they are...as I just did. They aren't even limited to progressives and liberals.

Sure there are liberals who are pro gun. There are conservative’s who are pro abortion. Still that broad brush does a pretty good job. The current political climate has the left hyper anti gun. The mildest way for me to point that out is to use liberal.

There are always exceptions.

 

[Paradoxical]

What new law on who should own?

Gun type is meaningless.

Concealed carriers are cleaner than most everyone else.

Age is already restricted.

You don’t have a common sense bone in your leftist body. If you did you would understand that punishment of convicted offenders is the proper and lasting way to reduce gun violence.

In Florida Jeb Bush and the republicans passed 10-20-life. Use a gun in a crime and get 10 years. Fire that gun and get 20. Someone gets hurt and it’s life. All mandatory! Violent crime fell of course. Shocker!

And conservatives tend to be fact based thinkers VS leftists who are the emotion based thinkers. It’s how you come up with some of these stupid ideas like blaming the law abiding for the actions of the lawless. How about being crazy for tougher laws while marshmallow soft on actual criminals breaking existing laws. Dumb ideas from a knee jerk reacting group who uses emotion over brains. Those poor kids at uvalde if only the madman didn’t have an AR! A handgun even a machete could easily achieve the death toll but it’s the ar. Just no sense.

Is that Florida law still intact?

What they did in Kalifornia was to pass a bill called "Use a gun, Go to prison" with with similar penalties to much fanfare. It worked. Criminals were in jail. The liberals and ACLO no likey that cause too many "minorities" were then in jail. The bill was then watered down giving judges discretion and liberal prosecutors plea-dropped the gun charge. Enter a Soros-bankrolled DA in Los Angeles named Gascon. Because of "equity" he refuses any case where the extra gun charge is added. He was sued. California SC to hear supposedly within the next two months. In the meantime, many gangbangers who would be in jail are not.

 

[Daddyo]

I suspect that the odds favor you eventually getting into significant trouble with your gun ideas, your described behaviors, and your growing paranoia.

And I suspect that if you ever leave your bubble that you will eventually become the victim of a violent crime. Only you will be at the mercy of your attacker with your only option to beg for mercy of aim your banana at them. Not all citizens are cowards. Those of us who decide to retain the ability to resist are as law abiding or more than those who don’t statistically. So your fears are unfounded. My ideas are to simply keep myself and family safe from all dangers possible. My “paranoia” as you say is simply understanding the reality of my area. Understanding the odds of becoming a victim. Knowing the dangers out there. Carrying a firearm just incase the unthinkable happens. You do realize that me carrying a gun doesn’t change anything for either of us right? Everything is normal from my perspective and you never know I’m armed. Don’t forget we are safer than you statistically.

So your paranoia is unfounded.

 

[Rucker61]

Where did I mention the uk?
There are plenty of ways to limit access to firearms and republicans oppose all of them.

Gun control advocates typically oppose all unconstitutional, ineffective and unenforceable gun laws. Given Bruen, that covers a lot of ground.

There's not much that can be done given the set of decisions from the Court regarding the protections of the Second Amendment.

 

[Rucker61]

I just did a quick google search and there have been 389 school shooting since Columbine.
The uk had one shooting in1996 and none since.

So now you're comparing the US to the UK. What did the UK do to prevent school shootings?

You might want to vet that list to set what is considered a "school shooting".

 

[jaeger19]

All that is bullshit. Government employers and leftist private employers demanded compliance or be fired. Most did not require vaccinations and did just fine.

And at no time did any mandate come in for or premium change happen from workman’s compensation because of Covid. None!

Your overtime and lost revenue are even worst if you fire that person for not taking the vaccine VS them being out for 4 to 6 days sick. Many good companies like mine simply monitored temperature and how employees felt. We also provided safety measures like social distancing, hand sanitizer, and germ cleaning between work days. I spent thousands. Zero infections at work. I finally caught the shit in a Texas sink hole exhibit while on vacation. And I was vaccinated.

Sick employees are a HUGE cost to you but fired employee are free lol. How ****ing stupid do you think we are to feed us that bullshit? Loss of production permanently vs 1 week in most cases. Training a new hire. Perhaps paying for advertisement or an agency to find someone. Hell finding a new hire was nearly impossible back then. You are full of political crap. If you even are a business owner you are fluffing things believing that others won’t know and just accept what you said because it sounds plausible.

Finally if you fired me for not taking the new not properly tested vaccine that was causing some side effects I would simply sue you. Like most companies and government agencies that did this to good employees, you likely used us when the danger was super high and there was no vaccine. We probably kept your doors open and profits coming in risking our lives daily. Only to be tossed out like trash once the left gave out your marching orders. Never mind our families. Never mind our sacrifice for you earlier lol pathetic.

I bet you were a mask nazi boss weren’t you lol?

1. And why can't an employer decide what employees are best for his company. Especially when umvaccinated employees represent an increased cost to his /her company?
2. Of course it did. A workers comp claim is a workers comp claim and goes to your experience rating.
3. Over time ? No..it's better to have vaccinated employees.
Like you said...you spent thousands...
Vaccinations were free.
Loss of production permanently?
WTF are you talking about?
Perhaps you can't find someone to replace an employee you fire but I and most businesses can. Unvaccinated are a minority. Particularly if you need educated employees.
You couldn't sue crap.
I have to worry about being sued for having unvaccinated employees give patients covid who then die.
Not to mention the lost revenue from patients hearing that we allow unvaccinated employees to treat them so they go elsewhere.

And pooh...you came to work to get paid.
Stop with the ultruistic bs...when you choose not to vaccinate you are being a selfish a hole that places their politics above protecting the most vulnerable in society which includes your fellow employees and your customers. Or you are a moron. Either way..you are a liability to my company.

 

[Daddyo]

Age is not restricted enough as to who can purchase a gun.

Age is not restricted enough as to who can purchase a gun. Type of gun is not meaningless. All of your shit is BS, but I think you know that. Semi-automatic firmarms should be "prohibited weapons" or restricted to a magazine capacity of no more than two shots

Age is restricted to 18-21. Revolvers hold 6 or more yet you want semis to have two and you claim my stuff is BS lol. Two shots ha ha ha. Lol then I switch to my 8 shot revolver. Talk about ignorant.

 

[jaeger19]

The numbers for gun deaths says otherwise.
That you can't even see a problem with tens of thousands of dead a year because of guns shows why nothing will change.

No they don't say otherwise.
Gun deaths is a meaningless statistic.

For example idaho has more gun death than NY state..
But has a lower homicide rate overall..

Which means it's actually SAFER than ny state.

See the problem is your assumption is that if there were no guns..that there would be less suicide and less crime.

But the data simply doesn't support you.
Japan and South korea..with few guns..have a higher suicide rate than the us which us awash with guns.

Idaho. With way more firearms..has a lower homicide rate than NYS.

Crime and suicide are about the person..not the tool.

 

[Rich2018]

The rest of the world manages pretty well without guns.

As do the majority of people in the USA.

 

[jaeger19]

As do the majority of people in the USA.

Exactly. So why worry about mine or your neighbors?..

Why do you live in abject fear of your neighbors who have firearms?