US suicides hit an all-time high last year; a main driver is the growing availability of guns

[Paradoxical]

So it poses a minuscule risk. Having a swimming pool poses a minuscule risk of drowning. Having a bike poses a minuscule risk of bike accident. Lol we know this already. You are saying the obvious. You kinda have to have a firearm, pool, and bike to have a firearm, pool, or bike related incident. No shit Sherlock alert.

Now what danger does my pool cause for drowning if it’s gated, alarmed, and a lifeguard is on duty while in use? Is my risk the same as my neighbor with the green pool water and no safety features? Come on dude do we need to hold your hand through the thought process?

Is there any website that gives you correct information on just how many kids are accidentally killed by a firearm? I doubt it. Why? Because if you did put those deaths next to swimming pool drownings or death by skateboards or poisoning, they would pale in comparison.

 

[Paradoxical]

Spot on.

His claim on free college is that by giving someone that college education they will earn more money and thus pay more taxes throughout their career. Whether or not this turns out to be proven true in real life is another issue. It certainly sounds plausible. It is however grossly unfair to pay for the college education of someone today on the backs of folks who either paid for their own college OR couldn’t afford to go themselves and instead jumped into the work force.

J19 has claimed to be a conservative if I remember correctly lol. I find that very hard to believe with him supporting free college and CRT.

He is one of at least three people that claim to be conservative. His posts are indistinguishable from a far-left activist.

 

[Paradoxical]

1. Hypocrisy. “Elections have consequences” famous words of leftist filth leader Barack Hussein Obama. Bet you have no idea what that means do you lol?

2. Hypocrisy. Democrats want inefficient all powerful government. Reagan simply masterfully pointed it out.

#3 Hypocrisy. The democrats religiously cry racist or sexist. They pit black against white, gay vs straight, religious vs atheist, even rich vs poor. It’s pathetic.

#4 Hypocrisy. Democrats are the cancel culture kings. If you don’t drink the kool aid and tow the agenda you are cancelled. You have no place in this society lol.

The firearm violence is due to democrats. Look at the criminals and the politicians in power in that area.

I happened to find the stats on accidental gun deaths.
From 1-1-15 to 12-31-22, a full 7 years, as tracked by a highly liberal group, there were only 756 deaths. That would be just a little over a hundred per year!!

Accidental gun deaths by children grew 31 percent during the COVID-19 pandemic, new data shows

Gun deaths among children grew 31% from March to December 2020, and 2021 is set to see more of these incidents than any other year.

www.insider.com

The CDC tracked death by pool drownings and it is 379 per year!

https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/Pool_or_Spa_Submersion_Estimated_Nonfatal_Drowning_Injuries_and_Reported_Drownings_May_2021.pdf

 

[jaeger19]

Daddyo, A person can make a case for anything, and if he is a liberal, when it comes to spending money that isn't theirs, will be able to make a case for it. If you were to come up with even the wildest "feelgood" idea, even I could make a case for it if I had the mindset of a liberal. Why does one suppose that we are 34 trillion in debt right now? It's because it is so easy to make a case to spend money.

We, The People have a soft spot for those who are struggling and want to help. Even monkeys have empathy. But humans want to dictate YOUR empathy and make you spend your hard-earned money on things THEY feel should be done. You and I could think of literally hundreds of things we could spend money on. The list would be endless. Where the Republicans have missed the boat is in the narrative. They have allowed the left to seize the narrative in every single instance and the MSM is a co-conspirator in decimating America and Americans. They will do so again by blaming this shutdown on Republicans. What we have to do is convince people that it is we who are the defenders of middle America and the hard workers all over who work 8:00 to 5:00 and can never get ahead and now inflation has robbed them and their children of the American dream. Inflation is ONLY due to spending money you don't have. It is the Democrats fault.

And here is a perfect example of the result of lack of education..and right wing propoganda.
It's basic economics.
All studies show the average college grad will make more than 1 million MORE over their lifetime than a high school graduate.
That " free education " pays for itself.

And frankly..does a fellow making more money than a high school grad sound like someone needing the public dole?

Hardly..so you get tge added benefit of more tax dollars than you spent.
Less need for social safety nets..
And studies show that children of college graduates are more likly to have children who go on to graduate college and less likly to need the public dole.

 

[jaeger19]

Hardly. His view is the peaches and cream view.

Reality, my version posted above, is filled with waste, fraud, and abuse. Not to mention the complete and utter bullshit from the millions who chose not to go to college OR paid for their own degree, who would now be forced to pay for others to get it for free.

Reality is that college grads on average make more than one million more in their lifetime than high school grads.

Explain how that supports your premise.

 

[Spock]

The takeaway I get from watching the progressive movement over the last 40 years all over the world is that it's not really the suicides that are the problem, it's that they aren't being assisted by a physician...

Explain.

 

[Paradoxical]

And here is a perfect example of the result of lack of education..and right wing propoganda.
It's basic economics.
All studies show the average college grad will make more than 1 million MORE over their lifetime than a high school graduate.
That " free education " pays for itself.

And frankly..does a fellow making more money than a high school grad sound like someone needing the public dole?

Hardly..so you get tge added benefit of more tax dollars than you spent.
Less need for social safety nets..
And studies show that children of college graduates are more likly to have children who go on to graduate college and less likly to need the public dole.

How does that help a mechanic in middle America put food on the table when the very economics YOU champion (Bidenomics) have caused the cost of his food and gas to go up so much he cannot afford his house payments anymore and is foreclosed on?

Your crazy premise is that others should pay for what YOU want to be. This mentality is precisely what has put middle America into 34 trillion in debt, which results in money having to be printed like monopoly money. This MUST stop and stop NOW!

 

[Spock]

Is there any website that gives you correct information on just how many kids are accidentally killed by a firearm? I doubt it. Why? Because if you did put those deaths next to swimming pool drownings or death by skateboards or poisoning, they would pale in comparison.

The CDC has a list of diseases that require reporting by healthcare providers. States require ballistic injury reporting as well.

Review of Statutory Obligations for Reporting Ballistic Injuries

Traumatic ballistic injury is an unfortunate and commonly encountered problem seen by surgeons. An estimated 85,694 nonfatal ballistic injuries occur annually, and in 2020 there were 45,222 firearm-related deaths in the United States. Surgeons of all ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

How does that help a mechanic in middle America put food on the table when the very economics YOU champion (Bidenomics) have caused the cost of his food and gas to go up so much he cannot afford his house payments anymore and is foreclosed on?

Your crazy premise is that others should pay for what YOU want to be. This mentality is precisely what has put middle America into 34 trillion in debt, which results in money having to be printed like monopoly money. This MUST stop and stop NOW!

Economics is more complex than you appear to understand. Would you favor more workers and increased unemployment to allow businesses to pay employees less and eventually reduce prices of goods and services?

 

[Paradoxical]

The CDC has a list of diseases that require reporting by healthcare providers.

Economics is more complex than you appear to understand. Would you favor more workers and increased unemployment to allow businesses to pay employees less and eventually reduce prices of goods and services?

Speaking of which, thank you for confirming my postings.

In Phoenix, Burger King has ads offering a wage of $21.50 an hour. In Kalifornia, Newsom signed a bill making fast-food restaurants pay $20.00 an hour. This is because people will no longer work for the former wages because they can make almost as much on welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, and businesses couldn't get help and therefore had to raise wages.

Some here think that these wage raises ONLY apply to low-level workers such as dishwashers and burger flippers. In the upcoming weeks and months, those who work in those same restaurants who are supervisors and managers will demand a raise. Those who work in other jobs that require menial skills will demand the same as a burger flipper and more or will threaten to leave. The others who see the low-level employees who make almost as much as they do will demand a raise and so on up the ladder.

The result will be increased costs for everyone because those employers must pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer. This is what Bidenomics does. So, that burger flipper who dropped out of school and is temporarily ecstatic that he makes $21.50 an hour? He will find that the cost of his groceries, gas, clothing, and rent have all been increased and that the $21.50 an hour is now only as much as his former minimum wage because the $21.50 an hour now only buys as much as the former $17.00 an hour.

 

[Spock]

Speaking of which, thank you for confirming my postings.

In Phoenix, Burger King has ads offering a wage of $21.50 an hour. In Kalifornia, Newsom signed a bill making fast-food restaurants pay $20.00 an hour. This is because people will no longer work for the former wages because they can make almost as much on welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, and businesses couldn't get help and therefore had to raise wages.

Some here think that these wage raises ONLY apply to low-level workers such as dishwashers and burger flippers. In the upcoming weeks and months, those who work in those same restaurants who are supervisors and managers will demand a raise. Those who work in other jobs that require menial skills will demand the same as a burger flipper and more or will threaten to leave. The others who see the low-level employees who make almost as much as they do will demand a raise and so on up the ladder.

The result will be increased costs for everyone because those employers must pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer. This is what Bidenomics does. So, that burger flipper who dropped out of school and is temporarily ecstatic that he makes $21.50 an hour? He will find that the cost of his groceries, gas, clothing, and rent have all been increased and that the $21.50 an hour is now only as much as his former minimum wage because the $21.50 an hour now only buys as much as the former $17.00 an hour.

You would favor more unemployment as a motivation to lower business costs.

 

[jaeger19]

How does that help a mechanic in middle America put food on the table when the very economics YOU champion (Bidenomics) have caused the cost of his food and gas to go up so much he cannot afford his house payments anymore and is foreclosed on?

Your crazy premise is that others should pay for what YOU want to be. This mentality is precisely what has put middle America into 34 trillion in debt, which results in money having to be printed like monopoly money. This MUST stop and stop NOW!

Pretty easy.
First..that mechanic would post high school get free two year public trade college education including business and accounting courses as well as education in mechanics..which increases the value of his skills and increases the liklihood of a prosperous business if he chooses to go out on his own.
In addition..the free public college education improves the economy in his town..( 1.2 million more than a high school grad equates to more money to buy vehicles tge mechanic services.) Thus increasing his demand for his services and increasing his rake home pay.

Again with the education or lack there of.
Tell me paradox...how can prices go up...when people can't afford goods or services?
It's not like there isn't supply on the shelves now.
If people can't afford a product..then the price will DROP because of decreased demand.
If prices are rising and supply is steady..its because people have the money to buy.

 

[jaeger19]

Speaking of which, thank you for confirming my postings.

In Phoenix, Burger King has ads offering a wage of $21.50 an hour. In Kalifornia, Newsom signed a bill making fast-food restaurants pay $20.00 an hour. This is because people will no longer work for the former wages because they can make almost as much on welfare, food stamps, Section 8 housing, and businesses couldn't get help and therefore had to raise wages.

Some here think that these wage raises ONLY apply to low-level workers such as dishwashers and burger flippers. In the upcoming weeks and months, those who work in those same restaurants who are supervisors and managers will demand a raise. Those who work in other jobs that require menial skills will demand the same as a burger flipper and more or will threaten to leave. The others who see the low-level employees who make almost as much as they do will demand a raise and so on up the ladder.

The result will be increased costs for everyone because those employers must pass on the cost of doing business to the consumer. This is what Bidenomics does. So, that burger flipper who dropped out of school and is temporarily ecstatic that he makes $21.50 an hour? He will find that the cost of his groceries, gas, clothing, and rent have all been increased and that the $21.50 an hour is now only as much as his former minimum wage because the $21.50 an hour now only buys as much as the former $17.00 an hour.

Question..
If people can't afford the product and stop buying at burger king..why do you think prices will rise?
Did you think burger King execs will say...holy crap..no one is buying our product...we need to increase prices even more???
Please explain your economic theory.

 

[VanceMack]

You would favor more unemployment as a motivation to lower business costs.

This is you again pretending to be smart while exposing just how not smart you are.

The point is its ****ing stupid for people to try to turn minimum wage jobs that are traditionally held by high school students looking to make a few bucks for a car and date night and people seeking a second income into a career that pays standard living wages. When shitheaded leftists DO that (because while shitheaded leftists love to talk about how businesses SHOULD run, none of them have the first ****ing clue how businesses DO run), they then cause price increases across the board, **** over the low in come worker worse, and completely screw fixed 'income' recipients of SS or givernment welfare programs.

 

[Rich2018]

Well. They DO have mass shootings.

That you can count on the fingers of one hand

The UK has had two mass shootings since the last gun legislation, in 1997
And no school shootings.

 

[Paradoxical]

You would favor more unemployment as a motivation to lower business costs.

How do you figure that? If welfare were eliminated there would be no unemployment.

 

[Paradoxical]

Pretty easy.
First..that mechanic would post high school get free two year public trade college education including business and accounting courses as well as education in mechanics..which increases the value of his skills and increases the liklihood of a prosperous business if he chooses to go out on his own.
In addition..the free public college education improves the economy in his town..( 1.2 million more than a high school grad equates to more money to buy vehicles tge mechanic services.) Thus increasing his demand for his services and increasing his rake home pay.

Again with the education or lack there of.
Tell me paradox...how can prices go up...when people can't afford goods or services?
It's not like there isn't supply on the shelves now.
If people can't afford a product..then the price will DROP because of decreased demand.
If prices are rising and supply is steady..its because people have the money to buy.

Inflation hurts those in the lower-income strata far more than others. A business will just go out of business. this is what happens in your utopia. Look at the blue cities that are decaying to third-world status. They close up shop. Only the people who the blue-collar workers paid their college tuition can afford to buy the basic necessities anymore because they have some cushy gubmet job. Why is it do you think blue cities are now third-world areas? Businesses have fled because the people there steal from them and the taxes are too high and they cannot raise their prices anymore because the deadbeats there can't afford it.

 

[jmotivator]

Explain.

Spain, Belgium, Canada, Italy, Germany, Austria, Australia along with Oregon, Washington, California, Colorado, Delaware, Vermont, Hawaii, Montana and Maine all have physician assisted suicide so clearly it's not the suicide that is the problem with progressives since they push for the right to kill yourself... just not with a gun.

Or they support you killing yourself but only if someone can bill for it.

 

[Paradoxical]

Question..
If people can't afford the product and stop buying at burger king..why do you think prices will rise?
Did you think burger King execs will say...holy crap..no one is buying our product...we need to increase prices even more???
Please explain your economic theory.

It's OK if you are making $250K a year. A burger that used to cost you $6.00 now costs $14.00. In depressed areas, there will be no Burger Kings. This is why Chicago now wants State Run grocery stores.

 

[Spock]

How do you figure that? If welfare were eliminated there would be no unemployment.

Answer the question and stop with your libertarian mythology. I doubt you can find ANYONE who wants to be on welfare as a preferential lifestyle.

 

[jaeger19]

Inflation hurts those in the lower-income strata far more than others. A business will just go out of business. this is what happens in your utopia. Look at the blue cities that are decaying to third-world status. They close up shop. Only the people who the blue-collar workers paid their college tuition can afford to buy the basic necessities anymore because they have some cushy gubmet job. Why is it do you think blue cities are now third-world areas? Businesses have fled because the people there steal from them and the taxes are too high and they cannot raise their prices anymore because the deadbeats there can't afford it.

Well..businesses are not closing shop. It's why tge need for workers and the higher pay.
Businesses are trying to keep up with increased demand.
When businesses start going out of business unemployment increases.
Civilian unemoyment right now is roughly 3.6.
Lower than it was in the mid 2000s when the economy was booming.

 

[Spock]

Spain, Belgium, Canada, Italy, Germany, Austria, Australia along with Oregon, Washington, California, Colorado, Delaware, Vermont, Hawaii, Montana and Maine all have physician assisted suicide so clearly it's not the suicide that is the problem with progressives since they push for the right to kill yourself... just not with a gun.

Or they support you killing yourself but only if someone can bill for it.

So you think that self-harm attempts by individual suffering from a treatable mental illness is equivalent to an end of life decision by individuals facing prolonged unmanageable and inexorable fatal disease.
There really is not basis for discussion here.

 

[jaeger19]

It's OK if you are making $250K a year. A burger that used to cost you $6.00 now costs $14.00. In depressed areas, there will be no Burger Kings. This is why Chicago now wants State Run grocery stores.

Right.
So your vontention that burger kings will be the restaurants of choice for the rich people??
This kinda goes along with your " prison is filled with college graduates"...
L.ol.

 

[jaeger19]

So you think that self-harm attempts by individual suffering from a treatable mental illness is equivalent to an end of life decision by individuals facing prolonged unmanageable and inexorable fatal disease.
There really is not basis for discussion here.

Hmmm.why not?
They both are in excruciating pain.
Would it mot make sense to treat that pain.
Rather than callously say.." ha..now we took your guns away..so find a bridge or a rope"??

 

[jaeger19]

Answer the question and stop with your libertarian mythology. I doubt you can find ANYONE who wants to be on welfare as a preferential lifestyle.

I can find lots of people who prefer welfare.

 

[jmotivator]

So you think that self-harm attempts by individual suffering from a treatable mental illness is equivalent to an end of life decision by individuals facing prolonged unmanageable and inexorable fatal disease.
There really is not basis for discussion here.

Where assisted suicide has been passed the push has always been to expand eligibility. Places like Canada and Netherlands no longer even require a terminal diagnosis, and other places where it is legal the law has expanded to include depression as a terminal illness.

Essentially, if they determine your depression will lead to suicide, they might as well help you...