US suicides hit an all-time high last year; a main driver is the growing availability of guns

[Paradoxical]

Yeah no.
In the real world the radical leftist with a college degree isn't out of work.
Cripes you think someone capable of going to school for four years and getting a degree in anything isn't capable of friggin learning a job? Come now.
If what you said were true...then college graduates would make way less than those blue collar workers. With all those useless degrees right?

But they dont.. they average 1.2 million MORE than a high school graduate.

Because it's common sense that someone that is smart enough and works hard enough to get good grades in highschool..and then is smart enough and determined enough to get a 4 year degree..in whatever..

Is going to be smart enough and motivated enough to get a job..a lot better one than can be had by failing to graduate high-school.

The myth the uneducated like is the one where having a college degree doesn't mean anything..that being smart enough for college has no value in the work place.
Lmao.
Oh wait..and" prison is filled with college graduates. "

Bwahhhhhh lmao.
You never fail to provide a good laugh Paradoxical..

You're funny.

 

[Rucker61]

You're funny.

And accurate, too.

 

[Spock]

for @jaeger19:
Relation between firearm ownership and firearm homicide:

The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications

American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA)

ajph.aphapublications.org

"We found a robust relationship between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates that was not explained by any of these potential confounders and was not sensitive to model specification."

 

[jaeger19]

for @jaeger19:
Relation between firearm ownership and firearm homicide:

The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications

American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA)

ajph.aphapublications.org

"We found a robust relationship between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates that was not explained by any of these potential confounders and was not sensitive to model specification."

Yep FIREARM HOMICIDE RATES.
so..someone who wants to kill themselves..can go out and buy a firearm and then kill themselves..
Huh.

Sweet baby jesus...how many times does this need to be explained to you. ???

 

[Spock]

Yep FIREARM HOMICIDE RATES.
so..someone who wants to kill themselves..can go out and buy a firearm and then kill themselves..
Huh.

Sweet baby jesus...how many times does this need to be explained to you. ???

You just cannot understand epidemiology, can you?
The firearm in the house result in a danger to the household.
The FIREARM produced the risk condition.

 

[jaeger19]

Your claims about NY and Idaho and Maine involve a lot of assumptions, which I doubt you can identify.
The number of firearms in a location is not necessarily representative of the ACCESS.
Furthermore, you have chosen to ignore all the other data and studies that associate firearm access with suicide, domestic violence fatalities, and overall household risk of death or injury which have been posted repeatedly.

No..YOUR CLAIMS include a lot of assumptions.
In fact YOU are the one that assumes gun ownership allows easy access.
You are the one that stated..." and he gets mad and " grabs a gun"..
As if a firearm is sitting on every kitchen counter..shop..living room..etc..
While the person really grabs the knife in tge kitchen..hits a person with the wrench they are holding when fixing the car etc.

In fact you choose all the other data..from Japan and korea..to NY and idaho.Idaho.. to uk and Sweden etc

You choose to ignore the facts be because of your obsessive paranoia about firearms.

 

[jaeger19]

You just cannot understand epidemiology, can you?
The firearm in the house result in a danger to the household.
The FIREARM produced the risk condition.

Seriously stop.
The firearm did not produce the risk condition unless you can show me the mechanism that the firearm made the person suicidal..or violent.

Let's do some " epidemiology".
Contracting covid is strongly associated ( positively correlated) with taking over the counter cold and flu medicine to alleviate the symptoms..

Using your squirrely logic..this means that cold and flu medicine "produced the risk of getting sick from covid".

Cripes you are so wrapped up in your paranoia you can't think logically.

 

[jaeger19]

The Civil War demonstrates that civilian firearms are more likely to be used for violent civil unrest, vigilantism and rebellion than for "resistance to tyranny".

According to you..there was no such thing as the civil WAR.

 

[jaeger19]

Are you now trying to defend the Civil War as a righteous act of resistance to tyranny?

According to there was no such thing as the civil war..

 

[Paradoxical]

And accurate, too.

Why?

 

[Daddyo]

To a hammer, the entire world is a nail.

DGUs are unknown and probably unknowable.
You need to justify your bad gun policies with fabricated and unsubstantiated claims.

I don’t need to do anything. The only thing bad about our gun policy, is that the leftist filth you support with your vote, refuse to fully enforce them.

I carry daily and take very good care of myself and family. My claims have been substantiated by research. You don’t accept that source but it certainly was substantiated by the source. My personal claims are absolutely not fabricated. I really don’t care whether you believe them. Frankly with your attitude and anti gun agenda I don’t believe you should ever be allowed to use a firearm for self defense. You should be forced to accept your fate. So convincing you of the benefits of carrying a firearm would just be wrong IMO.

We do agree that the exact number of DGU’s is simply not knowable. To many variables from lies to omissions. Some won’t tell and others will make shit up. The problem is that it has happened to people I trust with my life. It has also happened to me and my immediate family. It has happened to a shit ton of customers patronizing my gun store. I can only imagine poor folks who life in even worse areas than I.

The stories I gave happened. Several are documented via police. One made the news. You may not like good guys with a gun success but they happen all the time. We also know that many are just not reported to police for a multitude of reasons. I personally believe the higher numbers based on my example base. You believe it’s less. I carry because of my experiences. You don’t preferring to be a helpless victim and again that’s fine. No problem everyone is happy.

 

[Daddyo]

Firstly, "easy access" is probably unmeasurable and total firearm burden is a poor proxy for access
Secondly, no disease condition (let us call firearm violence a disease) is not absolutely caused by a single factor.
Thirdly, "different demographics" likely reflect many contributing variables (gun locks, income, education, family size or characteristics) that will impact firearm violence

Every cause and effect for expression of disease does not display as a linear correlation. You should know that and expect some dispersion of the data around the general trend.

The trend is clear, generally, more guns mean more firearm violence.

The demographics is the difference. Unfortunately many are fearful to say it due to being labeled a racist and then being cancelled.

The trend IS clear. The presence of violent democrats, usually in the form of low income gang members, is the source. Get rid of them and you get rid of the firearm violence.

 

[Daddyo]

@Daddyo, @Rucker61,@braindrain and other gun promoters, you should take responsibility for the firearm violence in America and stop with the excuse-making.

Almost no one would complain about firearms, IF there were not firearm violence (or the violence was equivalent to similar countries). The unavoidable fact is that firearm prevalence in America has resulted in MASSIVE firearm violence. You dudes should step up and take responsibility for that problem rather than fabricating excuses and faulty rationalizations to maximize your convenient access to firearms.

We have. We beg folks like you to get tough on the criminals breaking existing gun laws but who are being released early by the leftists in power. You know the ones YOU vote for.

Unfortunately you refuse to do this. Then, like a real winner, you come on here bitching about the violence and pointing fingers instead of looking in the mirror.

If I was in power I would simply eliminate democrats from owning or possessing guns. Since you don’t believe in the second amendment being an individual right anyway and your constituency is causing the vast majority of the violence crime, it’s the smart thing to do. Problem solved.

 

[Daddyo]

Firstly, physicians cannot absolutely control every disease event.
Secondly, physicians CAN discuss firearm access control and the decisions parents make about having a firearm for "safety".
There are numerous advisories for physicians about reducing firearm violence.
Google <physicians prevent firearm violence>
or explore the resources at https://health.ucdavis.edu/vprp/aboutus/index.html
or learn about what the American Academy of Pediatrics has to say:

Gun Safety and Injury Prevention

This page will hold all resources developed under the Gun Safety and Injury Prevention Initiative – including videos on counseling families on firearm safety and links to other resources developed with Friends of Children Funds (ie, Emergency Nurses Association resources).

www.aap.org

Of course, gun maniacs in Florida tried to prevent physicians from discussing firearms in the home and risk mitigation.

Lol so mom and dad having a gun in the home causes little Jimmie to join a gang, seek out a gun, and shoot a rival gang member?

Lol although we all probably thought you couldn’t get more ridiculous after your gun suicide risk factor nonsense, you did it again lol. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Daddyo]

Hmmmm.
"According to research completed by the U.S. Department of Justice, private gun ownership influences the behavior of criminals. In this study, over 1,800 imprisoned felons across the country were surveyed on their opinions of firearms.(1) Here is what they learned:

One-third of criminals questioned had encountered an armed victim. The study found 34% of the felons had been scared off, shot at, wounded, or even captured by a gun-owning victim.

56% of those interviewed agreed that criminals intentionally avoid armed victims. If criminals know the individual has a weapon, they chose to target another victim."

And interviewed convicted burglars said their number one fear was an armed homeowner second was a large dog.

 

[Spock]

Seriously stop.
The firearm did not produce the risk condition unless you can show me the mechanism that the firearm made the person suicidal..or violent.

Let's do some " epidemiology".
Contracting covid is strongly associated ( positively correlated) with taking over the counter cold and flu medicine to alleviate the symptoms..

Using your squirrely logic..this means that cold and flu medicine "produced the risk of getting sick from covid".

Cripes you are so wrapped up in your paranoia you can't think logically.

The agent of injury produces the risk. Aspirin creates a risk in a home, especially if the cap is not child proof. A swimming pool is a risk for drowning, regardless of the skill or intent of the residents.
Surely you can understand that a firearm represents a device that can injury people in a way that would not happen without that gun in the household.
We have been over this repeatedly and you have failed miserably to understand that basic lesson of public health and medicine.

 

[Spock]

I don’t need to do anything. The only thing bad about our gun policy, is that the leftist filth you support with your vote, refuse to fully enforce them.

I carry daily and take very good care of myself and family. My claims have been substantiated by research. You don’t accept that source but it certainly was substantiated by the source. My personal claims are absolutely not fabricated. I really don’t care whether you believe them. Frankly with your attitude and anti gun agenda I don’t believe you should ever be allowed to use a firearm for self defense. You should be forced to accept your fate. So convincing you of the benefits of carrying a firearm would just be wrong IMO.

We do agree that the exact number of DGU’s is simply not knowable. To many variables from lies to omissions. Some won’t tell and others will make shit up. The problem is that it has happened to people I trust with my life. It has also happened to me and my immediate family. It has happened to a shit ton of customers patronizing my gun store. I can only imagine poor folks who life in even worse areas than I.

The stories I gave happened. Several are documented via police. One made the news. You may not like good guys with a gun success but they happen all the time. We also know that many are just not reported to police for a multitude of reasons. I personally believe the higher numbers based on my example base. You believe it’s less. I carry because of my experiences. You don’t preferring to be a helpless victim and again that’s fine. No problem everyone is happy.

What is the social cost of millions of people carrying firearms for "self-protection"?

 

[Spock]

The demographics is the difference. Unfortunately many are fearful to say it due to being labeled a racist and then being cancelled.

The trend IS clear. The presence of violent democrats, usually in the form of low income gang members, is the source. Get rid of them and you get rid of the firearm violence.

Would you support the ultimate crime control in Iran, China, Russia and North Korea?

 

[Spock]

Lol so mom and dad having a gun in the home causes little Jimmie to join a gang, seek out a gun, and shoot a rival gang member?

Lol although we all probably thought you couldn’t get more ridiculous after your gun suicide risk factor nonsense, you did it again lol. Thanks for the laugh.

If you took the time to evaluate the evidence that a firearm in a household poses a risk to the family, you would not appear so clueless and naïve.

 

[jaeger19]

The agent of injury produces the risk. Aspirin creates a risk in a home, especially if the cap is not child proof. A swimming pool is a risk for drowning, regardless of the skill or intent of the residents.
Surely you can understand that a firearm represents a device that can injury people in a way that would not happen without that gun in the household.
We have been over this repeatedly and you have failed miserably to understand that basic lesson of public health and medicine.

And yet..we don't ban pools..or aspirin..
In fact we don't regulate them even close to the way that firearms are regulated.
Not to mention alcohol.
We have been over this...
You make an illogical leap concerning what type of risk a person is talking about.

Every gun owner here understands that guns..if used improperly pose a risk of injury. Just like pools and aspirin and alcohol.

The illogical leap you make is the assumption that said risk increases overall risk of mortality.
That without a firearm. ..people won't be suicidal and wont simply choose another deadly method..
Nor that people without a firearm won't be criminals and simply kill with another tool or their hands.
That's why your studies almost always use FIREARM injury or death..

You've been shown all the statistics that disprove your premise..
From the fact that crime went down while guns sales went through the roof.
( how is that possible if the risk of criminal activity increased)
That while idaho has way more guns than ny...it has a lower murder rate.
The same for Norway and the uk..
Then there is mexico..with far less firearms and Draconian gun laws...hah.

Oh and japan and South Korea with higher suicide rates despite having so few firearms.

Not to mention when the cdc studied defensive gun use..they found defensive use occured far and away more than criminal use of firearms.

 

[jaeger19]

What is the social cost of millions of people carrying firearms for "self-protection"?

Nothing.

 

[jaeger19]

If you took the time to evaluate the evidence that a firearm in a household poses a risk to the family, you would not appear so clueless and naïve.

Actually it's you that seems to not understand what the actual risks are and why.

 

[Rich2018]

And interviewed convicted burglars said their number one fear was an armed homeowner second was a large dog.

The same is probably true of their neighbors.

 

[jaeger19]

The same is probably true of their neighbors.

You fear your neighbor?

 

[Rich2018]

You fear your neighbor?

The ones with guns and dangerous dogs.