US suicides hit an all-time high last year; a main driver is the growing availability of guns

[VySky]

"About 49,500 people took their own lives last year in the U.S., the highest number ever, according to new government data posted Thursday. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which posted the numbers, has not yet calculated a suicide rate for the year, but available data suggests suicides are more common in the U.S. than at any time since the dawn of World War II.

Experts caution that suicide is complicated, and that recent increases might be driven by a range of factors, including higher rates of depression and limited availability of mental health services. But a main driver is the growing availability of guns, said Jill Harkavy-Friedman, senior vice president of research at the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

Suicide attempts involving guns end in death far more often than those with other means, and gun sales have boomed — placing firearms in more and more homes. A recent Johns Hopkins University analysis used preliminary 2022 data to calculate that the nation’s overall gun suicide rate rose last year to an all-time high. For the first time, the gun suicide rate among Black teens surpassed the rate among white teens, the researchers found.

“I don’t know if you can talk about suicide without talking about firearms,” Harkavy-Friedman said."

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At the very least, the government should be educating Americans, like they did with cigarettes, about the danger of having an unsecured gun in the home.

How does the dangers of cigarettes cross into a suicide discussion that is focused on guns?

Did someone 'smoke themselves to death' last night?

Um.... OK.... not a logical flow

 

[Daddyo]

It’s not about committing suicide, which cannot be stopped, but the success rate of suicide attempts. Survivors often express regret.

Those who might regret it better not jump, hang themselves, or use a gun. Ain’t no coming back from that last step off the ledge, that last step off the chair, or dropping the hammer on a live round.

 

[Daddyo]

You will have to admit that 2A is the cause for the proliferation of firearm violence in the USA and It appears that choosing NOT endorse wide-spread firearm access is a better national policy.

You are the cause of firearm violence as I have explained several times.

 

[VySky]

You are the cause of firearm violence as I have explained several times.

No, the one who pulls the trigger.

Unless you are on a Hollywood set.

 

[Spock]

Cuba and Venezuela survived until they didn’t. All those unarmed places are but a tyrant away from becoming Cuba or Venezuela.

A common thread from the victims of both countries, that I personally have had conversations with, it can’t happen here. Stories told to me long ago by some of my family members who suffered under Castro. Another common thread……they wished they had guns lol.

Of course it can happen here. That was the reminder of Jan 6, 2021.
How did civilian firearms work then and there?

 

[Spock]

You are the cause of firearm violence as I have explained several times.

Providing an inherently irrational explanation is not a valid counter argument.

 

[Spock]

Questions for @Daddyo, @braindrain and @Rucker61 :

Questions for you about evil leftists and gun control advocacy:

Why are firearm prohibited by civilians in public buildings?
Why do army bases deny soldiers the right to own/possess personal firearms on base?
What do you think you are going to do when Democrats take over the government?
Have you given up your Social Security and Medicare?

 

[VySky]

Of course it can happen here. That was the reminder of Jan 6, 2021.
How did civilian firearms work then and there?

Jan 6 wasn't the type of event where firearms were needed. Except for a rouge FED cop who sucker punched the 5' female veteran from the dark oblique

Worked well for him the gun.

 

[Rucker61]

Questions for @Daddyo, @braindrain and @Rucker61 :

Questions for you about evil leftists and gun control advocacy:

Why are firearm prohibited by civilians in public buildings?

This isn't universally true, as Texas allows CCW holders to carry in courthouses. In those places where it is banned, it falls under the allowed restrictions under Heller for "sensitive places".

Some states allow CCW holders to carry in school buildings or on college campuses.

Why do army bases deny soldiers the right to own/possess personal firearms on base?

They don't. Soldiers who live in the barracks store theirs in the arms room and can take them out for personal use on weekends.

Soldiers who live in family housing can keep their firearms in their quarters.

Mainly, military personnel don't have the same civil rights as civilians. They voluntarily give them up when they join.

What do you think you are going to do when Democrats take over the government?

In regards to what? I'll do what I do now, follow the law.

Have you given up your Social Security and Medicare?

Why would I do that?

 

[Spock]

This isn't universally true, as Texas allows CCW holders to carry in courthouses. In those places where it is banned, it falls under the allowed restrictions under Heller for "sensitive places".

Some states allow CCW holders to carry in school buildings or on college campuses.

More restrictions than permission apply.

They don't. Soldiers who live in the barracks store theirs in the arms room and can take them out for personal use on weekends.

Soldiers who live in family housing can keep their firearms in their quarters.

Mainly, military personnel don't have the same civil rights as civilians. They voluntarily give them up when they join.

Can You Carry a Gun on a Military Base?

Can military members and others carry a gun on a military base? Here's what you need to know.

www.military.com

In regards to what? I'll do what I do now, follow the law.

Will you claim that your firearm is to resist "tyranny" as so many claim?

Why would I do that?

Social Security and Medicare are the product of evil leftist political action, not unlike the efforts to reduce firearm violence.

 

[Rucker61]

More restrictions than permission apply.

Can You Carry a Gun on a Military Base?

Can military members and others carry a gun on a military base? Here's what you need to know.

www.military.com

Again, military personnel voluntarily give up various civil. Rights. They don't retain First or Fourth Amendment rights, either.

Will you claim that your firearm is to resist "tyranny" as so many claim?

I never have and never will. My firearms are for all lawful purposes.

You may have heard of this, though:

"Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason".

-John Harington.

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Social Security and Medicare are the product of evil leftist political action, not unlike the efforts to reduce firearm violence.
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I don't equate the first two efforts with the last, I don't consider and have never referred to the "Left" as evil, and you'd be hard pressed to find any post from me where I've used a pejorative.

 

[RF667799]

Again, military personnel voluntarily give up various civil. Rights. They don't retain First or Fourth Amendment rights, either.



I never have and never will. My firearms are for all lawful purposes.

You may have heard of this, though:

"Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason".

-John Harington.

[/QUOTE

Social Security and Medicare are the product of evil leftist political action, not unlike the efforts to reduce firearm violence.

I don't equate the first two efforts with the last, I don't consider and have never referred to the "Left" as evil, and you'd be hard pressed to find any post from me where I've used a pejorative.
[/QUOTE]

Now damnit, you just aren't getting into the proper partisan box. Why be so obstinate?

 

[Citizen]

Once again, blaming an inanimate object

If people want to kill themselves, they'll find a way. Guns just make it easier.

I blame the easiness of buying rope for the number of suicides by hanging.

So you like the idea of making suicide easier?

 

[RF667799]

More restrictions than permission apply.

Can You Carry a Gun on a Military Base?

Can military members and others carry a gun on a military base? Here's what you need to know.

www.military.com

Will you claim that your firearm is to resist "tyranny" as so many claim?

Social Security and Medicare are the product of evil leftist political action, not unlike the efforts to reduce firearm violence.

You said that military personnel can't own firearms on a military base. You're wrong. Moving the goalposts to "carry a gun", doesn't make you any less wrong, and in fact you're wrong about the new position of the goalposts. As your own article shows, your claim is not universally true.

 

[Daddyo]

You think that the American colonists, who supported slavery and indentured servitude, viewed dark skin as inferior, disparaged women generally, exploited native peoples, employed public humiliation as acceptable punishment and tortured strange behavior as witchcraft were uniquely inspired about civil rights and created rules appropriate for the 21st Century?

No. I believe they created a beautiful system of government. I believe that they were hyper intelligent men who seemed to prepare this experiment for many problems they foresaw. They used historical record and mans evil nature to prepare us for long term success. Essentially they predicted you. They predicted many of the other problems we have faced. Simply amazing.

As for all the horrible things you assign our founders with……..it’s classic leftist bullshit. While the actions are true it’s bullshit to take what is acceptable today and compare it to what was acceptable centuries ago. My beautiful grandparents for example. My grandmother had a miscarriage at 14 years old. They were married of course. Grandpa was 20. So he was ****ing a 13 year old maybe 14. Today you are considered a pedophile and child rapist for that. Slavery was ok back then and blacks even sold other blacks into it. Blacks were considered as inferior and property. No different than a horse. Things changed. Times changed. My grandfather was no child rapist or pedophile. He was in love and that’s what folks did back then. They married young. Again classic leftist garbage tactics to denigrate our founders in an effort to change our system. You socialists know better of course lol.

 

[Daddyo]

Inside every gun nutter is a dictatorial personality!
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And inside every anti gun nutter is a hypocrite and virtue signaling socialist propaganda spewing parrot.

 

[Spock]

No. I believe they created a beautiful system of government. I believe that they were hyper intelligent men who seemed to prepare this experiment for many problems they foresaw. They used historical record and mans evil nature to prepare us for long term success. Essentially they predicted you. They predicted many of the other problems we have faced. Simply amazing.

As for all the horrible things you assign our founders with……..it’s classic leftist bullshit. While the actions are true it’s bullshit to take what is acceptable today and compare it to what was acceptable centuries ago. My beautiful grandparents for example. My grandmother had a miscarriage at 14 years old. They were married of course. Grandpa was 20. So he was ****ing a 13 year old maybe 14. Today you are considered a pedophile and child rapist for that. Slavery was ok back then and blacks even sold other blacks into it. Blacks were considered as inferior and property. No different than a horse. Things changed. Times changed. My grandfather was no child rapist or pedophile. He was in love and that’s what folks did back then. They married young. Again classic leftist garbage tactics to denigrate our founders in an effort to change our system. You socialists know better of course lol.

The worship of the past as perfect is a common conservative foible.
Would your grandfather's ethics be correct for today? Children should not be denied a childhood. Children used to work in mines and sweatshops but no longer do so because leftists pressed for regulations. If reactionary conservatives, like yourself, had prevailed in the late 19th century, we would still have child brides and children workers.

You seem determined to eulogize the past, ignore history, and demonize change.
The Constitution is a product of human thought and cannot be seen as immutable or perfect because it embraces a set of values no longer considered timely.

 

[Rich2018]

You don't need a motor vehicle.

Most people do

You, however, have no need for a gun - if indeed you have one.

 

[jaeger19]

Questions for @Daddyo, @braindrain and @Rucker61 :

Questions for you about evil leftists and gun control advocacy:

Why are firearm prohibited by civilians in public buildings?
Why do army bases deny soldiers the right to own/possess personal firearms on base?
What do you think you are going to do when Democrats take over the government?
Have you given up your Social Security and Medicare?

Firearms are not prohibited in all public buildings. I have facilities in states where firearms are allowed in most public buildings.
Military installations.??

"U.S. military personnel will now be able to carry concealed handguns on base.

A 26-page Pentagon directive issued on Nov. 18 outlines guidance for soldiers to carry their privately owned, concealed firearms on military installations"

Soldiers now allowed to conceal carry personal weapons

U.S. military personnel will now be able to carry concealed handguns on base.

www.al.com

 

[jaeger19]

Most people do

You, however, have no need for a gun - if indeed you have one.

You have no need for a car

 

[Rich2018]

You have no need for a car

Absolutely I do, as do the majority, if not most, people in the USA

Whereas you have zero need of a gun. Your tall tales of running some kind of livestock far, aside (which are believe as your claims to be a doctor).

 

[RF667799]

Absolutely I do, as do the majority, if not most, people in the USA

Whereas you have zero need of a gun. Your tall tales of running some kind of livestock far, aside (which are believe as your claims to be a doctor).

Myself, I need my gun to shoot aluminum cans and raccoons.

 

[Rich2018]

Myself, I need my gun to shoot aluminum cans and raccoons.

QED

Your gun is un-necessary.

 

[Spock]

QED

Your gun is un-necessary.

The failure to distinguish "need" from "want" is a peculiarly common gun addict trait.

 

[RF667799]

The failure to distinguish "need" from "want" is a peculiarly common gun addict trait.

Says the poster who runs away when asked to define his terms.