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US suicides hit an all-time high last year; a main driver is the growing availability of guns

Rucker61 said:
Other countries have "constitutions". Some call the document something else.

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Not good support for your argument. "unwritten" Constitution is hardly a constitution. Furthermore Canada and Great Britain have very low firearm deaths and NO Constitutions.
 
Glitch said:
I can use the same meaningless analogy. I've been using firearms for 61 years, including 8 years with the Marine Corps, and have killed fewer people than either Alec Baldwin or Senator Ted Kennedy.

I use my firearms to put food on my table and to provide a reasonable defense against moose or bear attack. I only considered wolves to be a potential threat when I owned dogs. Since I no longer own dogs, I do not consider wolves to be a threat that I need to defend against. I also do not see many humans in my neck of the woods, so I do not consider them to be much of a threat either. Moose are my biggest concern. We have had years when more Alaskans were killed by moose than by other humans.

With 400 million guns in the US, a murder rate of ~11,000 using firearms is 0.00275% of the population. As many as 40 times that number are killed every year by medical mistakes and medical malpractice. Medical mistakes are the third leading cause of death in the US after heart disease and cancer, killing as many as 0.12% of the population, and they are preventable.

It would seem that your priorities are misplaced. Your odds of being killed by a doctor are more than 40 times higher than being killed by a firearm.
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I can see that you consider your experience or use to be generalized to the entire country and that you do not understand that the convenience you enjoy comes at a great cost in human lives.
 
Spock said:
Not good support for your argument. "unwritten" Constitution is hardly a constitution. Furthermore Canada and Great Britain have very low firearm deaths and NO Constitutions.
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The have the analogues of constitutions that empower the federal government. Is this really so hard for you to understand?

"This is the reason why the UK has not felt the need to codify its constitution. But the UK does have a constitution, to be found in leading statutes, conventions, judicial decisions, and treaties. Examples of constitutional statutes include the Bill of Rights 1689, Acts of Union 1707 and 1800, Act of Settlement 1701, Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, Human Rights Act 1998, Scotland Act, Northern Ireland Act and Government of Wales Act 1998. Examples of conventions include that the monarch acts on ministerial advice; that the Prime Minister sits in the House of Commons; that the Queen appoints as Prime Minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons. These and other conventions have themselves been codified in documents such as the Cabinet Manual".

www.ucl.ac.uk

What is the UK constitution?

The UK is often said to have an 'unwritten' constitution, but this is not strictly correct; it is largely written, but in different documents.
www.ucl.ac.uk www.ucl.ac.uk

"The Charter is one part of the Canadian Constitution. The Constitution is a set of laws containing the basic rules about how our country operates. For example, it states the powers of the federal, and provincial and territorial governments in Canada.


The Constitution is the supreme law of Canada; all other laws must be consistent with the rules set out in it. If they are not, they may not be valid. Since the Charter is part of the Constitution, it is the most important law we have in Canada."

Guide to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Canada.ca

This guide explains the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and its importance in our daily lives.
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The point is that the countries you compare the US to have no restrictions on their federal government regarding gun control - the US most certainly does.
 
braindrain said:
Yes besides as places like South Korea prove. If edgy teens can’t get a hold of guns they commit suicide at a much lower rate.
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It’s not about committing suicide, which cannot be stopped, but the success rate of suicide attempts. Survivors often express regret.
 
Rucker61 said:
The have the analogues of constitutions that empower the federal government. Is this really so hard for you to understand?

"This is the reason why the UK has not felt the need to codify its constitution. But the UK does have a constitution, to be found in leading statutes, conventions, judicial decisions, and treaties. Examples of constitutional statutes include the Bill of Rights 1689, Acts of Union 1707 and 1800, Act of Settlement 1701, Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, Human Rights Act 1998, Scotland Act, Northern Ireland Act and Government of Wales Act 1998. Examples of conventions include that the monarch acts on ministerial advice; that the Prime Minister sits in the House of Commons; that the Queen appoints as Prime Minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons. These and other conventions have themselves been codified in documents such as the Cabinet Manual".

www.ucl.ac.uk

What is the UK constitution?

The UK is often said to have an 'unwritten' constitution, but this is not strictly correct; it is largely written, but in different documents.
www.ucl.ac.uk www.ucl.ac.uk

"The Charter is one part of the Canadian Constitution. The Constitution is a set of laws containing the basic rules about how our country operates. For example, it states the powers of the federal, and provincial and territorial governments in Canada.


The Constitution is the supreme law of Canada; all other laws must be consistent with the rules set out in it. If they are not, they may not be valid. Since the Charter is part of the Constitution, it is the most important law we have in Canada."

Guide to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Canada.ca

This guide explains the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and its importance in our daily lives.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

The point is that the countries you compare the US to have no restrictions on their federal government regarding gun control - the US most certainly does.
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Are you arguing that the US is too restrictive and THAT is causing the proliferation of firearms and magnificent firearm death and injuries we suffer???
 
Spock said:
Are you arguing that the US is too restrictive and THAT is causing the proliferation of firearms and magnificent firearm death and injuries we suffer???
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The United States Constitution and Bill of Rights protects the rights of the citizens of the US and prevents unconstitutional restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yep, and it's mostly adults that attempt suicide, not children.
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Well, we could also consider negligent discharges to support the idea of storing your firearms in a safe and secure manner.
 
Rucker61 said:
The United States Constitution and Bill of Rights protects the rights of the citizens of the US and prevents unconstitutional restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms.
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You argue that countries without constitutions actually have constitutions, assert that they can make any gun laws they want to permit guns, claim that the USA, in comparison to these other countries, has restrictive gun laws that somehow result in tens of thousands of deaths yearly, implying that the USA is too restrictive.
 
Spock said:
You argue that countries without constitutions actually have constitutions, assert that they can make any gun laws they want to permit guns, claim that the USA, in comparison to these other countries, has restrictive gun laws that somehow result in tens of thousands of deaths yearly, implying that the USA is too restrictive.
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You're reading things exactly backwards. Those countries have no restrictions on government power, whether it's through their constitution or any other analogous document. They can pass whatever gun laws they want. Like Canada and a bunch of other countries, we have have a constitution. Unlike any other western democracy our constitution prevents the government from passing any gun control law they would. Ours is unique in this regard in that our Constitution dies not allow the government to make just any gun law that they wish too, and our Bill of Rights enumerates an additional restriction on the government's power to restrict the protected right of the citizen to keep and bear arms.

Perhaps simpler: the UK and Canada can pass any gun law they wish; the US cannot.
 
Spock said:
I can see that you consider your experience or use to be generalized to the entire country and that you do not understand that the convenience you enjoy comes at a great cost in human lives.
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That's what I've been telling them about their damn love affair with high speed vehicles! Glad someone else sees it.
 
Spock said:
Are you arguing that the US is too restrictive and THAT is causing the proliferation of firearms and magnificent firearm death and injuries we suffer???
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Magnificent firearm death and injuries?

Geez...talk about the lightning and the lightning bug.

And that response seems unrelated to the quoted post in any way.
 
Spock said:
You argue that countries without constitutions actually have constitutions, assert that they can make any gun laws they want to permit guns, claim that the USA, in comparison to these other countries, has restrictive gun laws that somehow result in tens of thousands of deaths yearly, implying that the USA is too restrictive.
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He argued nothing of the sort. Did you make a bunch of typos when you initiated the chat bot?
 
Absentglare said:
It’s not about committing suicide, which cannot be stopped, but the success rate of suicide attempts. Survivors often express regret.
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Yes that is why there are so few successful suicides in South Korea or Japan. They took the guns away.
 
Spock said:
As stated previously, in response to claims to justify civilian firearms, the concept of "resisting tyranny" is a dangerous delusion in American society that promotes, wrongly, a justification for personal firearms. Recreational target practice is a more rational justification for guns.
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Because YOU know better than our founders who actually spoke about how ****ing important it was to maintain our country our rights. They actually spoke of folks like you who would come for those rights with similar arguments.

You would be considered anti American perhaps even a traitor in their eyes. And the representative republic they set up for us proves without a doubt that they are vastly smarter than you.
 
Rucker61 said:
You're reading things exactly backwards. Those countries have no restrictions on government power, whether it's through their constitution or any other analogous document. They can pass whatever gun laws they want. Like Canada and a bunch of other countries, we have have a constitution. Unlike any other western democracy our constitution prevents the government from passing any gun control law they would. Ours is unique in this regard in that our Constitution dies not allow the government to make just any gun law that they wish too, and our Bill of Rights enumerates an additional restriction on the government's power to restrict the protected right of the citizen to keep and bear arms.

Perhaps simpler: the UK and Canada can pass any gun law they wish; the US cannot.
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You will have to admit that 2A is the cause for the proliferation of firearm violence in the USA and It appears that choosing NOT endorse wide-spread firearm access is a better national policy.
 
Daddyo said:
Because YOU know better than our founders who actually spoke about how ****ing important it was to maintain our country our rights. They actually spoke of folks like you who would come for those rights with similar arguments.

You would be considered anti American perhaps even a traitor in their eyes. And the representative republic they set up for us proves without a doubt that they are vastly smarter than you.
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You think that the American colonists, who supported slavery and indentured servitude, viewed dark skin as inferior, disparaged women generally, exploited native peoples, employed public humiliation as acceptable punishment and tortured strange behavior as witchcraft were uniquely inspired about civil rights and created rules appropriate for the 21st Century?
 
Spock said:
You will have to admit that 2A is the cause for the proliferation of firearm violence in the USA and It appears that choosing NOT endorse wide-spread firearm access is a better national policy.
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There's really no reason he has to agree with your opinion.
 
Spock said:
You will have to admit that 2A is the cause for the proliferation of firearm violence in the USA and It appears that choosing NOT endorse wide-spread firearm access is a better national policy.
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Choosing or endorsing means nothing. You've been told how to address the issue.
 
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