US mecenaries took part in genocide in S.Ossetia

[Viking]

Head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastyrkin said:
"We have the proof that on Georgian side acted United States, Czech, Turkish, Ukrainian and Chechen mercenaries".
The picture and video with a dead black man in Ossetia was published before:

http://img.rosbalt.ru/pics7/ossetinashi01_427.jpg

Note that the black man have never lived in the xUSSR or Georgia. So he will probably be the foreigner and one of the US instructor.
So I guess this is another indirect proof that the USA not only trained and equipped georgian army, but also orchestrated and took quite active role in the attack against Russian peacekeepers and genocide of the civilians they had to protect.

Here is auto-translated article:
Translated version of http://www.rian.ru/defense_safety/20081124/155750013.html

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

"We have the proof that on Georgian side acted United States, Czech, Turkish, Ukrainian and Chechen mercenaries".

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So I guess this is another indirect proof that the USA not only trained and equipped georgian army, but also orchestrated and took quite active role in the attack against Russian peacekeepers and genocide of the civilians they had to protect.

American mercenaries are only working for the American government when the American government is paying them. Far as I know, the American government doesn't have any laws about what professional paramilitary corporations can do overseas, as long as they're not attacking US forces.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

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[Tashah]

The picture and video with a dead black man in Ossetia was published before: Note that the black man have never lived in the xUSSR or Georgia. So he will probably be the foreigner and one of the US instructor.

Black men have indeed lived in the USSR and Georgia. During the Cold War era, thousands of aspiring African communists were indoctrinated and trained in either the USSR proper or the Warsaw Pact countries.

I have no idea how you (or your ilk) can surmise that a dead black man in Ossetia simply must be an American. Unless you (or your ilk) can definitively prove this assertion, your bot-like OP is nothing more than stock propaganda with a racial twist.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastyrkin said:
"We have the proof --

LOL..

Alexander Bastyrkin, who has no experience in investigations of any kind but was widely seen as Putin’s protégé

You might find this piece on Bastyrkin's background into any kind of investigation illuminating.

I'll do some more reading around first however.

 

[Viking]

Black men have indeed lived in the USSR and Georgia. During the Cold War era, thousands of aspiring African communists were indoctrinated and trained in either the USSR proper or the Warsaw Pact countries.

I have no idea how you (or your ilk) can surmise that a dead black man in Ossetia simply must be an American. Unless you (or your ilk) can definitively prove this assertion, your bot-like OP is nothing more than stock propaganda with a racial twist.

I agree that some black men lived in the USSR, but there are so few of them that you can ignore those facts, though in the capitals and major cities currently there are quite a lot of black men, but let's say most of them are just the tourists.
Besides there are quite a lot of eyewitnesses in S.Ossetia hearing english speech.
I'd say that the probability that he is an American is about 99% percent.

 

[Viking]

LOL..
Head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastyrkin.

Let's say he is an official speaker now and represents the work of about a hundred of Russian investigators working on collectings proofs and evidence of the crimes committed by Georgian Army in S.Ossetia.

 

[Tashah]

Let's say he is an official speaker now and represents the work of about a hundred of Russian investigators working on collectings proofs and evidence of the crimes committed by Georgian Army in S.Ossetia.

And how many Russian investigators have worked on the crimes committed in Chechnya by the Kontraktniki (Russian mercenaries)?

 

[cherokee]

Head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastyrkin said:
"We have the proof that on Georgian side acted United States, Czech, Turkish, Ukrainian and Chechen mercenaries".
The picture and video with a dead black man in Ossetia was published before:



Note that the black man have never lived in the xUSSR or Georgia. So he will probably be the foreigner and one of the US instructor.
So I guess this is another indirect proof that the USA not only trained and equipped georgian army, but also orchestrated and took quite active role in the attack against Russian peacekeepers and genocide of the civilians they had to protect.

Here is auto-translated article:
Translated version of http://www.rian.ru/defense_safety/20081124/155750013.html

Note you cant tell what color the poor son of a bitch was...Maybe it has something to do with him being charbroiled...

 

[Viking]

And how many Russian investigators have worked on the crimes committed in Chechnya by the Kontraktniki (Russian mercenaries)?

Quite a lot too. The crimes are crimes.
Let's say I know some completed investigation about the crimes of Russian soldiers, but much more crimes were just faked.
The mercenary called the human who works for money and have no citizenship of the any side involved in the military conflict, so you cannot called Russian soldiers in Chechnya - mercenaries.

 

[Viking]

Note you cant tell what color the poor son of a bitch was...Maybe it has something to do with him being charbroiled...

But look at the face, it does not look like Caucasian type.

 

[Tashah]

Quite a lot too. The crimes are crimes.
Let's say I know some completed investigation about the crimes of Russian soldiers, but much more crimes were just faked.

Baloney. Russian mercenaries obliterated entire Chechen villages and murdered every Muslim within. Does the term "zachistka" ring any bells?

The mercenary called the human who works for money and have no citizenship of the any side involved in the military conflict, so you cannot called Russian soldiers in Chechnya - mercenaries.

Baloney. Kontraktniki are all ex-Soviet soldiers who work in platoon sized paramilitary units. They are paid and supplied by the Russian government. Most are alcoholics. All of them are serial killers.

 

[scourge99]

Viking, do you know the difference between facts and theories? Do you know what a logical fallacy is? Do you know what probability is?

It is a fact that there is a dead body. It is a theory that it is a US merc. It has a low probability that it is both a US merc that is black (most black people live in Africa and most Americans are white, fyi). Thus it is fallacious to claim it is proof of US or other mercs because its merely a theory that is severly lacking support by any facts that you have presented thus far.

 

[Viking]

Tashah, you're just brainless Russophobe.
By the way Chechen special forces, who are muslims, did a lot of job to kick Georgian asses, side by side with Russian soldiers.

Viking, do you know the difference between facts and theories? Do you know what a logical fallacy is? Do you know what probability is?

It is a fact that there is a dead body. It is a theory that it is a US merc. It has a low probability that it is both a US merc that is black (most black people live in Africa and most Americans are white, fyi). Thus it is fallacious to claim it is proof of US or other mercs because its merely a theory that is severly lacking support by any facts that you have presented thus far.

Let's say who attacked S.Ossetia? Georgian Army.
How many black Georgian soldiers in the Georgian Army? ZERO, Nothing, not a single soldier, Never heard of one.
Who can be a black man attacking S.Ossetia? Black Tourist or soldier? Soldier.
Where can I find the black soldiers in Georgia? US instructors.

 

[Tashah]

Tashah, you're just brainless Russophobe.

I would strongly suggest that you drop the attack mode and debate with civility.

Who can be a black man attacking S.Ossetia? Black Tourist or soldier? Soldier. Where can I find the black soldiers in Georgia? US instructors.

You've offered no proof of this assertion whatsoever. Nowhere. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. You haven't even established that this is a dead black man. All we have here is a corpse and your unsubstantiated propaganda.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

But look at the face, it does not look like Caucasian type.

There's not much "face" left and the fact he's been char-grilled could mean he was any colour beforehand. Then there is the lack of detail to show which conflict - let alone continent, this comes from.

 

[Viking]

I would strongly suggest that you drop the attack mode and debate with civility.


You've offered no proof of this assertion whatsoever. Nowhere. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. You haven't even established that this is a dead black man. All we have here is a corpse and your unsubstantiated propaganda.

Head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastyrkin quoted earlier said: "We have the proof" about US mercenaries.

And I provided the photo of a dead black man in S.Ossetia(look at his face, not a caucasian type), who is very likely was US mercenary and instructor.
Why he was a soldier? Logical guess: The were no black civilians in the area.
So he was with the invasion bloodthirsty junkie Georgian soldiers, led by the same type US instructors, which are only good in slaughtering civilians. What else US or Israeli instructors can teach?
By the way here is the picture of the Georgian soldier's pack:
http://pics.livejournal.com/crykitten/pic/0001d7xd

 

[Tashah]

Head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastyrkin quoted earlier said: "We have the proof" about US mercenaries.

Well fine then. Link us to this proof. It shouldn't be all that difficult.

And I provided the photo of a dead black man in S.Ossetia (look at his face, not a caucasian type), who is very likely was US mercenary and instructor.

You provided a picture in which it is impossible to determine either the date or the locale. You provided a picture of a badly burned corpse that would probably stymie CSI. In essence, your picture provides absolutely nothing in terms of definitive and/or conclusive proof.

Why he was a soldier? Logical guess: The were no black civilians in the area.

You have not proven that 1) He was a soldier 2) He was black.

So he was with the invasion bloodthirsty junkie Georgian soldiers, led by the same type US instructors, which are only good in slaughtering civilians.

You have not proven either 1) the locale 2) the date.

What else US or Israeli instructors can teach?

Let's see so far. You have not proven the locale, the date, that he was a soldier, that he was black, that he was American, that he was Israeli.

Thus far, your proven track record in this thread is unblemished :rofl

 

[Viking]

Well fine then. Link us to this proof. It shouldn't be all that difficult.

I provided the link to the statement, the proof will be presented in the court when the time will come.

You provided a picture in which it is impossible to determine either the date or the locale. You provided a picture of a badly burned corpse that would probably stymie CSI. In essence, your picture provides absolutely nothing in terms of definitive and/or conclusive proof.

Not safe for work
Translated version of http://www.rosbaltmsk.ru/2008/08/15/514080.html

According to the article the picture was taken August between 10 and 15. Location: Southern outskirts of Tskhinval (S.Ossetia capital).

You have not proven that 1) He was a soldier 2) He was black.

I can see from the picture that he is black.
I don't see other logical way (Do you?) how he could end up dead in S.Ossetia except that he was with the invasion forces, so this means that he was a soldier as well.

 

[Viking]

Let's say I can find more proof to my words than to yours when you're talking about Russian soldiers.

It is a well known fact that georgian soldiers were trained by US and Israeli instructors and it is a well known fact from the news how cruel US or Israeli army toward the civilians. And the US\Israeli trained and equipped Georgian army actions showed this once more. They were brave when started the with heavy weapon and artillery Ossetian civilians, lightly armored Russian peacekeepers and Ossetian militia. But even having enormous advantage they could not capture the town though they killed a lot of civilians. But when the Russian Army appeared they ran at top speed abandoning the weapon and armored vehicles, just like as their US established president (the former US lawyer).
President running:
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00gyd4d9.jpg
http://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/11/93/90/12/11geor10.jpg
Georgian soldiers running:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7102/610xff8.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0808/ea/3b877d701f2a.jpg
http://s53.radikal.ru/i139/0808/c8/aac70f011fc0.jpg


By the way here is another video that were taken from the dead Georgian soldiers showing the black men in the zone of conflict.

RUSSIA.ru: ?????? ???? ??? ???????

All captives or killed had narcotics. They went in battle under the influence of drugs - Barankevich said

entire article autotranslated:
Translated version of http://www.izvestia.ru/news/news185521

 

[justone]

I would strongly suggest that you drop the attack mode and debate with civility.

I would strongly suggest to stop calling kontraktniki serial killers and mercinaries, and drop the tone which may make a stranger to suspect a Russophobe in you. The liberal propaganda feeding you has no clue about real Russia. I pointed that so many times to you, you should start learning.

You have not proven that 1) He was a soldier 2) He was black.

You are in a state of denial, - what can he do less bringing the corpse, putting it on your table and making it to confess? Sure, the US government will never accept it is an American, but were do not have to be like them and we can trust some logic and common sense.

Tashah, you're just brainless Russophobe.

Tashah hardly is a Russophobe, she is brainwashed by liberal, Politkovskaya type propaganda, also she most likely had very unpleasant and may be shocking experience during her visit to Russia and especially to Ukraine.

According to the article the picture was taken August between 10 and 15. Location: Southern outskirts of Tskhinval (S.Ossetia capital).

Many people here think that the Russian press is all under Russian government dictatorship, and thus cannot be trusted, or at least cannot be trusted without a reservation. As the matter of fact many here do not trust the American press without a reservation.

it is a well known fact from the news how cruel US or Israeli army toward the civilians.

You see, it immediately puts you under suspicion. We have lunatics here who call American soldiers mercenaries obliterating entire Iraqi villages and murdering every Muslim within, serial killers, - but those are lunatics. It is quite stupid of you to come here and start talking stupid things about American soldiers. Have you ever served in the Soviet Army? You better apologize before starting me up on cruelty of Russian soldiers... I can compare, and I can assure you that all, except one, American military men I have known are not only not cruel, but also fine and honorable men, and the only one exclusion was stupid, but not cruel. He is stupid in contrast to ALL others who are quite educated. There are a lot more otmorozkov in the Russian Army, then ever in American military.




Many people here are not like Tashah, and many saw things that were not covered by the American media. I think the majority in this little community do not have to be yelled at to see problems in the US involvement with Georgia. So if you stop yelling and want some participation, you better first check what we have been talking about the conflict

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...plomatic-scorecard-france-leads-u-s-lags.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/35471-russia-articulates-its-foreign-policy-doctrine.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/36437-south-ossetia-independent-nation-also-abkhazia.html

You can find A LOT in this section.

Asia-Central - Debate Politics Forums
as well as in Breaking News.

If you wish to stay and inform us about Russia from your perspective and debate from your perspective I bet many will be interested VERY MUCH, - do not pay attention to Tashah, she knows everything about everything and everything is as she says it is, - but so far you are not exactly coming across as bringing peace as it is claimed in your profile. I am positively sure that you can contribute to this board, but if you decide to stay, I would advise you also to go slow for a while and try to catch up on some cultural differences. I am positively sure you would be able to.

Anyway thank you for information.

YouTube - Georgia American soldier killed in Tshinvali

http://blog.cleveland.com/world_impact/2008/08/large_TrainGeorgia_US_Mission_In_Meye.JPG

http://blog.cleveland.com/nationworld_impact/2008/08/large_Georgia_US_Military_Meye.JPG

YOU MUST TRANSLATE THIS IF YOU CAN: YouTube - Russian doctors are helping Georgian injured soldier!

 

[obvious Child]

Okay Viking, for the argument's sake, let's assume that the guy in your picture was in fact an American mercenary.

The US government does not exercise control over American private military companies and they are free to go where they want, whom to work under and do what work they want in foreign countries not under sanctions.

So Georgia hired an American based PMC to fight in Georgia.

What's your point? You do realize that operations like Blackwater employ a large amount of foreign nationals no?

 

[justone]

Okay Viking, for the argument's sake, let's assume that the guy in your picture was in fact an American mercenary.

The US government does not exercise control over American private military companies and they are free to go where they want, whom to work under and do what work they want in foreign countries not under sanctions.

So Georgia hired an American based PMC to fight in Georgia.

What's your point? You do realize that operations like Blackwater employ a large amount of foreign nationals no?

I am positevly much sure, Viking exactly means that an American mercenary is one who is hired by the US government. Due to cultural differences it may not be seen to you, but it is so. Georgia wouldn't effort to hire an American mercenary, when so many less expensive mercenaries are available in the region.

The main point is the participation of the US government, as it is presented on the documents. The ID shown on the documentary where Russian medics are treating the wounded Georgian soldgier and giving him a cell phone to call home, - the ID bearing the US flag is the property of the US government (as it is printed on it).

 

[jin1776]

Head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastyrkin said:
"We have the proof that on Georgian side acted United States, Czech, Turkish, Ukrainian and Chechen mercenaries".
The picture and video with a dead black man in Ossetia was published before:



Note that the black man have never lived in the xUSSR or Georgia. So he will probably be the foreigner and one of the US instructor.
So I guess this is another indirect proof that the USA not only trained and equipped georgian army, but also orchestrated and took quite active role in the attack against Russian peacekeepers and genocide of the civilians they had to protect.

Here is auto-translated article:
Translated version of http://www.rian.ru/defense_safety/20081124/155750013.html

Wait what genocide? Fooking ludicrous, you start off with a false premise and then back it up with "hay look it's a black guy" ya absolutely 0 Africans in Georgia. :roll: Oh and your Russian "peacekeepers" were Russian backers of S. Ossetian terrorists. You people seriously make me sick this is akin to backing the Nazi's invasion of Czeckoslavakia on the basis that they were there to protect the Germanic populations human rights as they had claimed was their goal.

 

[Viking]

2 justone. Let's say that I was provoked by Tasha.

I am positevly much sure, Viking exactly means that an American mercenary is one who is hired by the US government.

No, I suppose the mercenary is the man who involved in the conflict for money and does not have the cititzenship of the side involved in the conflict and the permission of his own goverment. Though I am absolutely sure the US goverment knew, discussed and prpeared this war, but the direct involvement of US is still the subject for the investigation.

Due to cultural differences it may not be seen to you, but it is so. Georgia wouldn't effort to hire an American mercenary, when so many less expensive mercenaries are available in the region.

If they were instructors in Georgia they could make a "discount". More than that I am sure they hoped for the quick success having tremendous advantage in weapons and equipment before main Russian forces will come up.
[/quote]

Wait what genocide?

They were not terrorists and acted in response. There were so many cruelty in Ossetia toward the civilians like using the starting the heavy fire on the sleeping town, using the weapon of mass-destruction and prohibited weapon, killing the civilians by purpose, throwing grenades in the basement civilians were hiding etc, so this war can be called genocide. The "Clear Field" - is what the Georgia wanted in S.Ossetia and this is the codename of their operation.
I'd recommend to see this documentary film(in English), a lot of it recorded by the video-cameras of the cell-phones, that were took from the dead Georgian soldiers.
WAR 08.08.08