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12/5/18
The US has begun making the necessary preparations to sail a warship into the Black Sea, a move that comes amid heightened tensions in the region following Russia's seizure of Ukrainian ships and detention of Ukrainian sailors. The US military has requested that the State Department notify Turkey of its possible plans to sail a warship into the Black Sea, three US officials tell CNN, a move they said is a response to Russia's actions against Ukraine in the Kerch Strait, which connects the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov. "Our US 6th Fleet is always prepared to respond where called," said Cdr. Kyle Raines, a spokesman for the Fleet, which oversees naval operations in the region.
"We routinely conduct operations to advance security and stability throughout the US 6th Fleet area of operations to include the international waters and airspace of the Black Sea," Raines told CNN. "We reserve the right to operate freely in accordance with international laws and norms," he added.
If it were to breach Russian waters then yes. If not then of course no.
That "brave" Russian Navy wouldn't do anything in the Black Sea waters precisely where the Ukraine boats were attacked.
Gutless cowards when faced with a far stronger power.
US makes preparations to sail warship into Black Sea amid Russia-Ukraine tensions
You can bet the farm that the brave Russian Navy won't be attacking a US warship in the waters of the Black Sea where they attacked two small Ukrainian patrol craft and a tug recently.
Related: US prepares to sail warship into Black Sea amid Ukraine-Russia clash near Crimea
https://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/338986-russias-piracy-and-kidnapping-25-november-2018-a.html
The US warship isn't going to sail close to where the Ukrainian boats went.
So, the facts are that the US is going to sail a warship into the Black Sea, but it isn't going to aid brave and heroic Ukraine, and that it won't challenge Russian naval power in the region..
So, the facts are that the US is going to sail a warship into the Black Sea, but it isn't going to aid brave and heroic Ukraine, and that it won't challenge Russian naval power in the region.
But in an act of supreme propagandist inanity, RV is arguing that if the US was to do anything brave, which it won't, then the Russian Navy would 'sail away' like 'gutless cowards'.
Surely anyone of any independent thought can see that this thread is absurd, and that the only state really displaying cowardice is the US.
Because if the US really believed RV's bravura, they would actually do something to illustrate just how gutless Russia is - it being THAT easy. The reality is of course that the US could not prevail in a naval confrontation in the Black Sea because Russia has a very effective A2/AD in place.
Q - If Russia is weak and cowardly, then why doesn't the US do something to expose this and rescue brave Ukraine?
A - because Russia is not weak and cowardly, and would defeat any US naval action in the Black Sea.
RV knows this very well. So now we're onto Russian bullying of a weak Ukraine. This thread remains absurd.
Not any, some.
Any.
You talk whimsically about how the US could destroy A2/AD systems in Crimea. That's probably true, but it would also be an act of open war which would be met with a reciprocal response destroying US military assets, probably on the US mainland. It's therefore irrelevant.
The route of escalation is not the question, the question was if every US naval action would be defeated. You just admitted that one action would not be defeated. Focus on your absolutist claims before you invent straw men to dispute.
The US could reduce Moscow to a pile of rubble, and the same with Crimea if it wanted to.
But that isn't going to happen over the plight of Ukraine in the Azov, because of course the US isn't going to sacrifice any Americans for its Ukrainian play toy.
So, I'm dealing with practical and realistic scenarios, and you're being a rather silly absolutist.
And rather than admit you made an overstatement, you keep trying to steer the conversation into discussing a point I never disputed.
Now, whether or not the US under Trump or a future president would put at risk American lives for the Ukraine is unknown. I agree, I doubt they would intentionally sacrifice Americans, but that is not how these things usually start. The Ukraine, for many Americans, is not a play toy - its an increasingly sympathetic victim of Russian aggression. And assuming someone like Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren beats Trump in 2020, they would be more aggressive than he has been.
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