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US Judge could rule on Nebraska SSM ban

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U.S. District Judge Could Rule On Nebraska Same-Sex Marriage Ban

U.S. District court judge Joseph Battalion could rule on the law that bans same-sex marriage in Nebraska Thursday.
If he decides to do away with the law, it could lead to Nebraska becoming the 38th U.S. state to allow those marriages.
The Nebraska chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in December, asking judges to start recognizing same-sex marriage as the challenge to the ban goes through the courts.
The Nebraska ACLU is representing seven Nebraska same-sex couples who sued in November to have their marriages recognized as legal in Nebraska.
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Cross your fingers the ban is banned today. :mrgreen:

Truthfully this was a long time coming. I really thought Nebraska would hold out longer than this so I hope I am proven wrong and this judge overturns the ban.
 
Pro-gay marriage argument:

"If it doesn't affect you, why do you care?"

But it doesn't affect straight pro-gay marriage supporters one way or the other either, so why do they care? Could it be a belief maybe? I don't know.
 
chad1389 said:
Pro-gay marriage argument:

"If it doesn't affect you, why do you care?"
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That's a straw man. The argument is "It doesn't harm you, so why should it be banned?"

But it doesn't affect straight pro-gay marriage supporters one way or the other either, so why do they care? Could it be a belief maybe? I don't know.
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So now, change your question to "It doesn't harm pro-gay marriage supporters either, so it should be banned" and you see why your argument is worthless.

chad1389 said:
Effects you morally, right?
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No, the argument is "It doesn't harm people so it shouldn't be banned"
 
chad1389 said:
Effects you morally, right?
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Well, maybe, though, that is a rather indefinite term.

But it certainly has fiscal impact on taxes, health care costs, SS etc.
Also it will impact the further development of society as did the introduction of schools, the pill or twitter.

You just do not know how those impacts will be.
 
chad1389 said:
Pro-gay marriage argument:

"If it doesn't affect you, why do you care?"

But it doesn't affect straight pro-gay marriage supporters one way or the other either, so why do they care? Could it be a belief maybe? I don't know.
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Being straight its just like any other marriage it has ZERO impact to my marriage, anybody that says otherwise is dishonest

As for why I care, I care because its about equal rights, ALL AMERICANS should care about equal rights, equal rights are my rights too!

It really simply, actually, just like the men that fought for womans rights and whites who fought for minority rights, its just common sense and the right thing to do in this country.
 
joG said:
Well, maybe, though, that is a rather indefinite term.

But it certainly has fiscal impact on taxes, health care costs, SS etc.
Also it will impact the further development of society as did the introduction of schools, the pill or twitter.

You just do not know how those impacts will be.
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Schools, pills and twitter are seen as one wishes to see them. I could argue that schools try and teach merely the non-existence of God, pills have side-effects and Twitter has really done nothing for anybody. I do like the political aspect of your argument though. The benefits it brings to taxes and such would be a much needed thing, but one could also argue that, as you stated, we don't know, and should we risk we finding out? That alone would be a better debate than the act of homosexuality itself.
 
AGENT J said:
Being straight its just like any other marriage it has ZERO impact to my marriage, anybody that says otherwise is dishonest

As for why I care, I care because its about equal rights, ALL AMERICANS should care about equal rights, equal rights are my rights too!

It really simply, actually, just like the men that fought for womans rights and whites who fought for minority rights, its just common sense and the right thing to do in this country.
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Lets apply that argument to another topic. Praying in schools. If you're not a Christian, and choose not participate in the prayer, it shouldn't effect you, right? So wouldn't denying that to Christians be the same as not caring about their equal rights?
 
chad1389 said:
Pro-gay marriage argument:

"If it doesn't affect you, why do you care?"

But it doesn't affect straight pro-gay marriage supporters one way or the other either, so why do they care? Could it be a belief maybe? I don't know.
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You think that injustice does not effect you directly as an American?
 
1750Texan said:
You think that injustice does not effect you directly as an American?
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Kids can't buy cigarettes. Is that injustice? Doesn't effect me, I don't smoke. Sure it's harmful, but not everyone believes that. Denying a child their right to be American smokers is wrong, do you think so?
 
chad1389 said:
Lets apply that argument to another topic. Praying in schools. If you're not a Christian, and choose not participate in the prayer, it shouldn't effect you, right? So wouldn't denying that to Christians be the same as not caring about their equal rights?
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There is no ban to prayer in school. A person can pray on the bus to school. At the flag pole in the morning before class...in his seat before class. Right before his Algebra test. Before lunch. After lunch. and before his travel home...Prayer at school in not banned.

What are you talking about?
 
chad1389 said:
Kids can't buy cigarettes. Is that injustice? Doesn't effect me, I don't smoke. Sure it's harmful, but not everyone believes that. Denying a child their right to be American smokers is wrong, do you think so?
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Your arguments are ridiculous. If you as an adult can not as yet determine what an injustice is...your arguments are not worth debating.
 
1750Texan said:
Your arguments are ridiculous. If you as an adult can not as yet determine what an injustice is...your arguments are not worth debating.
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I don't know. Sounds like injustice to me.
 
chad1389 said:
Lets apply that argument to another topic. Praying in schools. If you're not a Christian, and choose not participate in the prayer, it shouldn't effect you, right? So wouldn't denying that to Christians be the same as not caring about their equal rights?
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I don't care if the school has a couple minute free time where children are allowed to pray or just think quietly.

I don't care if consenting adults want to legalize their marriage either.

Now why don't you?
 
chad1389 said:
1.)Lets apply that argument to another topic.
2.) Praying in schools.
3.) If you're not a Christian, and choose not participate in the prayer, it shouldn't effect you, right?
4.) So wouldn't denying that to Christians be the same as not caring about their equal rights?
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1.) its not an argument its simply a fact, in reality straight marriages arent effected, but shoot, whats on your mind?
2.) you'll have to describe the praying better.
3.) 100% false "depending" on what you are talking about. I could create a scenario where it does effect you. I am a christian and im was allowed to pray in school all i wanted.
4.) what equal right? youll have to be more specific than that. nobody has ever denied me praying in general that I know of and if they did Id be against that
 
chad1389 said:
Kids can't buy cigarettes. Is that injustice? Doesn't effect me, I don't smoke. Sure it's harmful, but not everyone believes that. Denying a child their right to be American smokers is wrong, do you think so?
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Kids can't get married either. There is nothing wrong with having a legal age so children do not get exploited or harmed since they are not yet mature enough to make decisions such as smoking, marrying, or even driving.
 
americanwoman said:
Kids can't get married either. There is nothing wrong with having a legal age so children do not get exploited or harmed since they are not yet mature enough to make decisions such as smoking, marrying, or even driving.
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But yet they can choose their own sexuality, even when, as you stated, they are not "mature enough"?
 
chad1389 said:
High School Bans Students From Praying in Free Time
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lol that title is very dishonest and misleading
uhm in your own article no students were stopped from praying in general, they weren't allowed to form a prayer group and pray in an empty room. Thats hugely different.
I myself as a christian have no right to form a group in school and use a room as i please :shrug:
So being told I can't do that is not an infringement on my rights.
 
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