US coronavirus deaths top 1,000 4 days in a row as experts urge shut down

[Luce]

Yes, but no way of knowing how many of those cases haven't required medical treatment and have recovered

Possibly, assuming they aren't following up with their doctor, some have recovered.

Some are enjoying drawing the joker with long term effects.

 

[Conservative]

No, I already showed you.

4,330,998 confirmed cases - 2,881,463 active cases = 1,449,535 missing cases? (Is this the 1.5 million you referenced?)
149,281 fatal cases + 1,300,254 recovered cases = 1,449,535 closed cases.

So you have no idea whether these people are undergoing medical treatment nor do you care, just that they increase the number of infections?

 

[minnie616]

I did not know that. Did you read that somewhere?

Yes it is in post how Michigan counts the numbers of persons who are recovered.

Yes it is in post how Michigan counts the numbers of persons who are recovered.

From:

Note on recovery: During this response, MDHHS is reviewing vital records statistics to identify any laboratory confirmed COVID-19 cases who are 30 days out from their onset of illness to represent recovery status.

Read more:

Coronavirus - Cumulative Total of Recovered COVID-19 Cases

 

[Conservative]

Possibly, assuming they aren't following up with their doctor, some have recovered.

Some are enjoying drawing the joker with long term effects.

Possibly, I prefer having my cup half full than half empty, my daugher and family were infected, testing positively, they were reported, they had no medical treatment and no followup where are they in those numbers? Positive tests have to be reported, recoveries?????

 

[Luce]

Possibly, I prefer having my cup half full than half empty, my daugher and family were infected, testing positively, they were reported, they had no medical treatment and no followup where are they in those numbers? Positive tests have to be reported, recoveries?????

Not sure what to tell you. You might consider looking up the protocol on this at whatever organization is doing the CDC's job right now.

 

[Xilnik]

So you have no idea whether these people are undergoing medical treatment nor do you care, just that they increase the number of infections?

You still are not making any sense. What does hospitalization have to do with the 1.5 million that is attributed to fatal and recovered cases?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Sure...but death rate is utterly irrelevant, in terms of what we are talking about, which is leadership. What you need to look at is the infection rate. Bear in mind this graph was from a month ago - I can only imagine America's place in the world today.

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Over all, the US ranks 10th highest (as of today)

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[td]Qatar[/td]
[td]39,033[/td]
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[td]French Guiana[/td]
[td]24,509[/td]
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[td]Bahrain[/td]
[td]22,952[/td]
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[td]San Marino[/td]
[td]20,598[/td]
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[td]Chile[/td]
[td]18,190[/td]
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[td]Oman[/td]
[td]15,066[/td]
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[td]Kuwait[/td]
[td]154,060[/td]
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[td]Vatican City[/td]
[td]14,981[/td]
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[td]Panama[/td]
[td]13,960[/td]
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[td]USA[/td]
[td]13,279[/td]
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Of course, the fact that some of those countries have very small populations means that it doesn't take a whole lot of cases to produce a high "cases per million" ratio (i.e. Vatican City has a population of 801 and its 12 cases produces a "cases per million" ratio of 14,981 [in order to produce 14,981 cases in Vatican City, every person would have had to have had COVID-19 an average of 18.7 times]), so I suggest that you read the "cases per million" ratios somewhat skeptically if you want to compare how well countries are doing with respect to each other.

 

[minnie616]

Possibly, I prefer having my cup half full than half empty, my daugher and family were infected, testing positively, they were reported, they had no medical treatment and no followup where are they in those numbers? Positive tests have to be reported, recoveries?????

If it 30 days since they tested positive they are counted as recoveries.

 

[Conservative]

Not sure what to tell you. You might consider looking up the protocol on this at whatever organization is doing the CDC's job right now.

That's the point, there is no protocol, you and the rest of the left want to focus on infections never mind the recovery, never mind if the reports are accurate. You see, states get reimbursed for COVID19 expenses, no benefit for recoveries thus no assurance that there is ever a follow up. The left wants to believe those 1.5 active cases will result in deaths not recoveries. Why else would they focus solely in infections?

 

[iguanaman]

No, it is you who was apparently raised differently that me, I don't hold the President responsible for poor choices that I make. If Trump is gone we get Biden and then what? Why don't you tell me how those 58 million 401k holders are going to feel about Biden? You are nothing more than a typical leftwing partisan who focuses only on one issue ignoring that this pandemic ends and we are stuck with another Obama clone, poor economic growth, performance, job creation and massive nanny state spending. Apparently that is what you need

Democrats are historically better at growing the economy and with it 401K's. Republicans are only good at cutting taxes on the wealthy and running up the deficit. Not to mention we have a gangster in the Whitehouse who has no clue how to run a country or most importantly how to protect the American people from a deadly epidemic that will most likely kill a half million of us before we can boot him out of office.

“COVID-19 infection is deadlier than flu — we can put that debate to rest,” study author Anirban Basu, a professor of health economics at the University of Washington's School of Pharmacy. said in a statement released by the university Monday.

Basu further cautioned the virus is far more infectious than seasonal influenza, and the study notes that even by low estimates 20% of the US population will become infected by year's end, and that is if trends in social distancing trends continue.

The number of deaths predicted with that level of infection would range between 350,000 on the low end and 1.2 million at the upper level, according to Basu's study.

“This is a staggering number, which can only be brought down with sound public health measures,” Basu said.

Study predicts US virus death toll to triple by 2021

Want A Better Economy? History Says Vote Democrat!

 

[Conservative]

If it 30 days since they tested positive they are counted as recoveries.

Who keeps track of that?

 

[Conservative]

Democrats are historically better at growing the economy and with it 401K's. Republicans are only good at cutting taxes on the wealthy and running up the deficit. Not to mention we have a gangster in the Whitehouse who has no clue how to run a country or most importantly how to protect the American people from a deadly epidemic that will most likely kill a half million of us before we can boot him out of office.



Study predicts US virus death toll to triple by 2021

Want A Better Economy? History Says Vote Democrat!

Great, that would be during a projected Biden Administration since he is predicted to win, you going to hold him responsible for all those deaths?

I wanted a better economy when I voted for Trump and got it, will do the same in November. Your lack of understanding as to what Congress does is staggering

 

[CaughtInThe]

Have you guys seen the sharp downturn in number of infections nationally in the last week or so?

Is that when the Trump administration started getting the numbers or are those numbers still coming from the sources they came from before?

 

[Jetboogieman]

Great, that would be during a projected Biden Administration since he is predicted to win, you going to hold him responsible for all those deaths?

I wanted a better economy when I voted for Trump and got it, will do the same in November. Your lack of understanding as to what Congress does is staggering

Do you think the economy is good right now?

 

[minnie616]

Possibly, I prefer having my cup half full than half empty, my daugher and family were infected, testing positively, they were reported, they had no medical treatment and no followup where are they in those numbers? Positive tests have to be reported, recoveries?????

Maybe you can ask your Texas Governor.

From a May l 8 article:

Ahead of his announcement that Texas would commence the second phase of its reopening after a statewide stay-at-home order had lifted, Gov. Greg Abbott celebrated “GREAT NEWS” for the state in a tweet.

“The number of Texans who have RECOVERED from #COVID19 now exceeds the number of active COVID cases for the past 2 days,” Abbott said. “That’s exactly what we want to see. Texas ranks 3rd highest among states for number of people who have recovered from #coronavirus.”

Abbott had announced that he would allow the statewide stay-at-home order he issued on April 2 to expire on the last day of April, allowing retail stores, restaurants, movie theaters and malls to open, with limited capacity, on May 1.

At the time, Abbott said he would commence the second phase of his reopening plan by May 18, assuming there was no secondary “flare-up” of COVID-19 cases in the state.

But on Tuesday, Abbott said coronavirus metrics for the state signaled that it would be appropriate to start the second phase of his plan ahead of schedule, allowing barbershops, and hair, nail and tanning salons to open at limited capacity later in the week.

Read more. :

Fact-check: Where does Texas rank in coronavirus recoveries? - News - Austin American-Statesman - Austin, TX

 

[Conservative]

Do you think the economy is good right now?

Of course not, that is what the pandemic has done all over the world, shutting down the economy is what you claimed you wanted to stop the virus, then blamed Trump for the unemployment, now the economy is opening back up and you are blaming him for the growth in infections. the left are hypocrites. Economic policies generated the pre pandemic results, 6.6 million jobs created, historic low U-6, historic low Black/Hispanic Unemployment, 900 billion per year in GDP dollar growth, record state and local revenue, record growth in consumer spending component of GDP. Those results were ignored, now you want to focus on the pandemic numbers. The V shaped recovery will also be ignored

 

[Conservative]

Maybe you can ask your Texas Governor.



Read more. :

Fact-check: Where does Texas rank in coronavirus recoveries? - News - Austin American-Statesman - Austin, TX








From a May 8 Texas article:


One more time how accurate are the recovery numbers and who is tracking them. easy to track test results not so easy to track people who have recovered without medical treatment but have tested positively. This seems to be a major issue for you, why?

 

[Jetboogieman]

Of course not

So you can’t pretend that it is going into this election.

Trumps mishandling if the crisis is One of the many factors that will extend the economic pain.

Period.

You can’t get away from it no matter how much you want to.

 

[minnie616]

Who keeps track of that?

States keep tract of who tested positive in their state.

The numbers of recovered are higher than the number of people Who have been hospitalized.

Michigan’s Cumulative Total of Recovered COVID-19 Cases (as of 07/24/2020): 57,502


Please note : Michigan has been keeping track since April 12, 2020

 

[minnie616]

How do you count them? Anyone calling the homes to check on them? NO, the answer is if someone tests positive it is reported to the state and counted as infections, if someone recovers at home without medical treatment there is no way to capture that number. Notice the difference between reported, active and recoveries?

Reported 4,330,998

Active cases
2,881,463

Recovered cases
1,300,254

Fatal cases
149,281

1.5 million difference between reported and active, who are those people? Looks to me like if they aren't active they have recovered, how does that look to you?

Active cases are among the reported cases.

It takes 30 days before an active case may be called a recovered case.

 

[Conservative]

So you can’t pretend that it is going into this election.

Trumps mishandling if the crisis is One of the many factors that will extend the economic pain.

Period.

You can’t get away from it no matter how much you want to.

It is comments like this from you that cause me to ignore you, no substance, just propaganda and no response to the data

 

[Luce]

That's the point, there is no protocol, you and the rest of the left want to focus on infections never mind the recovery, never mind if the reports are accurate. You see, states get reimbursed for COVID19 expenses, no benefit for recoveries thus no assurance that there is ever a follow up. The left wants to believe those 1.5 active cases will result in deaths not recoveries. Why else would they focus solely in infections?

You can scream and holler and carry on all you like. The pandemic is a thing, and trying to decide that the numbers aren't real is not going to get us out of this mess.

 

[Conservative]

States keep tract of who tested positive in their state.

The numbers of recovered are higher than the number of people Who have been hospitalized.

Michigan’s Cumulative Total of Recovered COVID-19 Cases (as of 07/24/2020): 57,502


Please note : Michigan has been keeping track since April 12, 2020

Yes, of course they do, test kits are counted, states are reimbursed for COVID19 expenses, how does anyone capture those recoveries that have not received medical treatment but were test positive?

 

[Conservative]

Active cases are among the reported cases.

It takes 30 days before an active case may be called a recovered case.

And one more time, who follows up in 30 days to check the status?

 

[Luce]

Of course not, that is what the pandemic has done all over the world, shutting down the economy is what you claimed you wanted to stop the virus, then blamed Trump for the unemployment, now the economy is opening back up and you are blaming him for the growth in infections. the left are hypocrites. Economic policies generated the pre pandemic results, 6.6 million jobs created, historic low U-6, historic low Black/Hispanic Unemployment, 900 billion per year in GDP dollar growth, record state and local revenue, record growth in consumer spending component of GDP. Those results were ignored, now you want to focus on the pandemic numbers. The V shaped recovery will also be ignored

Imagine shutting down just long enough to do damage, but not long enough to fix the problem.