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US citizens jailed in LA Ice raids speak out: ‘They came ready to attack’

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www.theguardian.com

US citizens jailed in LA Ice raids speak out: ‘They came ready to attack’

Exclusive: Andrea Velez and Adrian Martinez recount their capture by immigration officers and its effects on their lives
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

As two masked men dragged her into an unmarked SUV, Andrea Velez tried to focus on details she might later remember – one man’s red shirt, the car’s leather seats, a black backpack inside.

At 9.20am on 24 June in downtown Los Angeles, the 32-year-old was heading into work at a footwear company when the men in gaiter masks jumped out of their car and started chasing vendors and other people on the street, she recalled. As people fled, Velez froze and held on to her bag.

Suddenly, she recalled, one of the men slammed her to the ground and placed her into his car. The men had “Police” vests, but otherwise were in plainclothes and didn’t identify themselves. She didn’t know why they had taken her.

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Summary:
  • U.S. citizens were unlawfully detained.
  • ICE used deceptive arrest tactics.
  • The government fabricated charges.
  • Simply being a bystander was criminalized.
  • A random citizen was publicly smeared.
  • Institutions refused to take accountability.
In case you missed it...this is the kind of thing dictators do.

Are you guys getting the picture yet?
 
two masked men dragged her into an unmarked SUV
A day after her arrest, the Department of Justice charged Velez with assaulting an officer, which could carry a 20-year sentence. The claim was shocking to Velez, who is 4ft 11in and said she had not laid hands on anyone. Velez is a US citizen who grew up in downtown, not far from the incident.

Welcome to Orwellian America. This is what you voted for.
 
Loulit01 said:
two masked men dragged her into an unmarked SUV
A day after her arrest, the Department of Justice charged Velez with assaulting an officer, which could carry a 20-year sentence. The claim was shocking to Velez, who is 4ft 11in and said she had not laid hands on anyone. Velez is a US citizen who grew up in downtown, not far from the incident.

Welcome to Orwellian America. This is what you voted for.
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These charges will very likely be dismissed, or if not dismissed, result in an easy mistrial, but legal fees in a criminal defense trial can easily run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Most people don't have that kind of cash laying around, and there isn't an Innocence Project for people wrongly detained by ICE. People can sue for wrongful arrest/detention, of course, but that, too, requires time, money, and effort. The whole point of this is to use the legal system to terrorize and intimidate opponents of the administration. They don't have to convict you. They can just slander you and bankrupt you.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
www.theguardian.com

US citizens jailed in LA Ice raids speak out: ‘They came ready to attack’

Exclusive: Andrea Velez and Adrian Martinez recount their capture by immigration officers and its effects on their lives
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

As two masked men dragged her into an unmarked SUV, Andrea Velez tried to focus on details she might later remember – one man’s red shirt, the car’s leather seats, a black backpack inside.

At 9.20am on 24 June in downtown Los Angeles, the 32-year-old was heading into work at a footwear company when the men in gaiter masks jumped out of their car and started chasing vendors and other people on the street, she recalled. As people fled, Velez froze and held on to her bag.

Suddenly, she recalled, one of the men slammed her to the ground and placed her into his car. The men had “Police” vests, but otherwise were in plainclothes and didn’t identify themselves. She didn’t know why they had taken her.

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Summary:
  • U.S. citizens were unlawfully detained.
  • ICE used deceptive arrest tactics.
  • The government fabricated charges.
  • Simply being a bystander was criminalized.
  • A random citizen was publicly smeared.
  • Institutions refused to take accountability.
In case you missed it...this is the kind of thing dictators do.

Are you guys getting the picture yet?
Click to expand...
Ever read a story where ICE or police went and knocked on a door to present a warrant, announced themselves, and wound up getting shot? Well being safe with dealing with known or suspected criminals is a very good idea. WE have too many illegals, and too many with criminal records. They need to go
 
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Integrityrespec said:
Ever read a story where ICE or police went and knocked on a door to present a warrant, announced themselves, and wound up getting shot? Well being safe with dealing with known or suspected criminals is a very good idea. WE have too many illegals, and too many with criminal records. They need to go
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How many undocumented immigrants have criminal records? What percentage? And how do you define, "too many"?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
www.theguardian.com

US citizens jailed in LA Ice raids speak out: ‘They came ready to attack’

Exclusive: Andrea Velez and Adrian Martinez recount their capture by immigration officers and its effects on their lives
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

As two masked men dragged her into an unmarked SUV, Andrea Velez tried to focus on details she might later remember – one man’s red shirt, the car’s leather seats, a black backpack inside.

At 9.20am on 24 June in downtown Los Angeles, the 32-year-old was heading into work at a footwear company when the men in gaiter masks jumped out of their car and started chasing vendors and other people on the street, she recalled. As people fled, Velez froze and held on to her bag.

Suddenly, she recalled, one of the men slammed her to the ground and placed her into his car. The men had “Police” vests, but otherwise were in plainclothes and didn’t identify themselves. She didn’t know why they had taken her.

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Summary:
  • U.S. citizens were unlawfully detained.
  • ICE used deceptive arrest tactics.
  • The government fabricated charges.
  • Simply being a bystander was criminalized.
  • A random citizen was publicly smeared.
  • Institutions refused to take accountability.
In case you missed it...this is the kind of thing dictators do.

Are you guys getting the picture yet?
Click to expand...
So if the video is accurate, I didn't see her dragged anywhere. I also didn't see her slammed to the groud, and then place into his car. I saw her placed into a car, but it didn't look like much force was used. System worked, she was picked up in the area of a raid that found a significant number of illegals. She was consequently released and charges droppe.
 
Loulit01 said:
two masked men dragged her into an unmarked SUV
A day after her arrest, the Department of Justice charged Velez with assaulting an officer, which could carry a 20-year sentence. The claim was shocking to Velez, who is 4ft 11in and said she had not laid hands on anyone. Velez is a US citizen who grew up in downtown, not far from the incident.

Welcome to Orwellian America. This is what you voted for.
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Not what I voted for...
 
LostInSeattle said:
It isn't. You revealed your true colors in the threads about the Haitian community in Springfield.

Of course you do, because you don't want to answer it honestly,
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The question was stupid if not trolling.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Ever read a story where ICE or police went and knocked on a door to present a warrant, announced themselves, and wound up getting shot? Well being safe with dealing with known or suspected criminals is a very good idea. WE have too many illegals, and too many with criminal records. They need to go
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No, I didn't. Source?
 
Integrityrespec said:
Ever read a story where ICE or police went and knocked on a door to present a warrant, announced themselves, and wound up getting shot? Well being safe with dealing with known or suspected criminals is a very good idea. WE have too many illegals, and too many with criminal records. They need to go
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No.

Could you post a few?

Or is there just one?


Any?


Waiting............
 
Integrityrespec said:
Ever read a story where ICE or police went and knocked on a door to present a warrant, announced themselves, and wound up getting shot? Well being safe with dealing with known or suspected criminals is a very good idea. WE have too many illegals, and too many with criminal records. They need to go
Click to expand...

The ones with the criminal records aren't being rounded up and last time we broached this you almost cried with sympathy for the danger they might be in if they encountered criminal gang members.
You just can't stop making excuses for violating the Constitution, can you?
 
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