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US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone.


Of course Japan is happy to hide behind us. The Chicoms would tear'em a new asshole.
 

The Orientals were hating each other for centuries before the Europeans learned to scratch their asses.
 
apdst said:
The Fillipinos are glad that we posess our military power. It's a good thing we do, since Australia can't.
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Lots of Italians were glad the Mafia ran their neighborhoods. They were quite often less corrupt than those designated upholders of individual rights and decency, the cops.
 
The Misanthrope said:
Lots of Italians were glad the Mafia ran their neighborhoods. They were quite often less corrupt than those designated upholders of individual rights and decency, the cops.
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Sure, and they did it for free. :lol:
 
I'm not one for the military, but I am glad this happened. No reason why this should be in place, and we know the Chinese aren't going to do anything. Good move by the US.
 
American said:
Yup, showing your ass.
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It's an "arse," not an "ass". "Ass" was invented by Christians who thought by them saying "ass" big dumb God wouldn't realise they were "swearing," and thereby "sinning," by mentioning one of the dirty icky bits he so despises below their belts. You would have noticed that God is much mollified when we "make love" rather than shock him to his goody two-shoes core by having a feral unfeigned ---k*. And how he prefers we use sanitary Latin or infantile language - such as "*****" - to describe our dirty bits and their filthy sinful functions.

*women have extreme difficulty exhorting their sexual partner to just "make love me....make love me"!! when the are about to cu....O-o-ps, climax and more often than not will substitute the "make love" with the sinfully hissed "---k".....thereby condemning their soul to Hell forever for every ---k they utter.
 
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Because if you ignore something new, over time it becomes de facto maritime/aviation law.

Gaddafi tried to do a similar thing in 1986: Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Additionally, navies of a variety of other nations and ours challenge their South China Sea claims on a yearly basis.

No one is saying that China can't have an ADIZ (Air defense Identification Zone), but everyone contests them setting one up unilaterally, extending so far out to sea amid several other nations, and covering contested islands. Oh, and they should probably negotiate a little bit before setting one up.

For example, look south of the florida keys in our ADIZ: File:ADIZ Boundaries.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obviously we aren't going to extend our ADIZ out to Cuba because that would be too aggressive a claim.
 

And you have no legitimate claim to cuba.
 
What?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Who died and made you the world police?
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The American servicemembers who died ending the two wars the rest of the world dragged us into.

When the rest of the world can act like civilized people and not savage barbarians then it won't be necessary to be "the world's police".
 

It isn't Chinese air space. The provocation comes from the unilateral extension of an air security corridor with the attendant implication of military authority over an area that is currently ruled & administered by another power, claimed by two others, and has been widely regarded as a status quo zone for the better part of 20 years. The United States is perfectly correct in preventing an effective Chinese territorial grab.
 
SBu said:
Didn't realize I was speaking to Captain Obvious here. What other sky opening revelations will you have for us today?
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Guess I will spell it out for you.

You brought up Cuba saying it would be like the US claiming Cuban airspace, this isn't the case as you have no legimate reason to do that where as China do. Your comparing an island where you have no historical connection and is inhabited by a population of a few million with a working government to a bunch of unihabited islands.

I would appreciate if you dropped the attiude as well, if doesnt make you sound big or clever.
 
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The Chinese and Japanese claim to the Senkaku's goes back to the 1890's. During that same period we invaded Cuba and reconstituted the state, moreover we have held a piece of territory there for almost a century. If this is the metric we're using for a solid historical claim it is just as flimsy. China has no claim or inherent right to extend its military zone by fiat, and we are right to oppose this territorial grab.
 

They disagree, they claim that it was Japan who were the aggressors and claimed the islands during their empire building days. China state that they would of made a claim on the islands after WW2 if they wern't under US adminstration. The PRC and the ROC argue that evidence prior to the First Sino-Japanese War indicates Chinese possession and that the territory is accordingly a Japanese seizure that should be returned as the rest of Imperial Japan's conquests were returned in 1945.
 

:screwy
 

It's a unilateral territorial grab. Don't know why that's so difficult to fathom.
 
Harshaw said:
It's a unilateral territorial grab. Don't know why that's so difficult to fathom.
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depends on what side you sit on. China see it as returing what is rightfully theirs from a previously agressive neighbour.
 
Higgins86 said:
depends on what side you sit on. China see it as returing what is rightfully theirs from a previously agressive neighbour.
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Well, then we see what "side you sit on."
 

It isn't relevant what they claim. Spain claims that Gibraltar is Spanish not British territory, Argentina claims the same for the Falklands, Haiti over Navassa island, Turkey and Greece over the Aegean islands, etc. In none of these cases is it acceptable for the non-occupying power to unilaterally declare a military zone over the subject area with the implication of asserting and fortifying that claim with military force. This is an attempt by China to establish facts on the ground and force regional powers to accept its claim. This should and has been rejected.

An ancillary point worth mentioning is that it should matter which actors are involved. I do not want to see China expand its reach and influence at the expense of our allies and other regional powers. That would be a highly negative outcome.
 
Harshaw said:
Well, then we see what "side you sit on."
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Yeh I Sympathise with the Chinese on this one, Japan were not exactly the best of neighbours and justice wasn't exactly served in their eyes. They were unable to make a claim on the islands after WW2 because of their revoloution and then the Islands passed into American adminstration. When the time came to hand over control of these islands I think their should of been a larger disvussion on who should be given ownership, instead the US passed it along to Japan and not just these islands either there are islands close to Korea which are also disputed.
 

So, you think there should be "discussion," but you also think we should bow to aggressive, unilateral military moves.

I ask you again -- why shouldn't China be waiting for that "discussion" before doing this?
 
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