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This is why I have no problem with spending more on veterans for things like post war reentry programs and therapy, what really irks me is that we give prisoners more options than veterans and that is not right, we reward the scum and don't pay attention to those heros who put it all on the line. What I don't like about the reporting on this is it reads like a "gotcha" from a paper biased against the last administration, instead it should bring in people who's opinions can determine the problem and help eliminate or at least alleviate it, instead of using soldier tragedies as a political tool.I know that the suicide rates went up high with the Viet Nam vets,after they returned home.A lot of that was survivor guilt.
Also it's very hard to enter back into society, when 2 or 3 days before, you were shooting at, or being shot at by someone,in a war zone.
I still remember being at a local drive in restaurant talking to, friends when a car drove by and backfired,everyone turned and looked for the offending car,me I was under my car waiting for incoming fire.
Everyone thought it was funny I was under my car.
Once you have been in harms way your life is different.
You continue to appear stupid and hateful of our military men and women. The God Damned terrorists are not innocents. The true source of the depression and suicides is much, much deeper than your mental capacity. As a veteran I COULD try to explain what it all feels like, but I`m guessing that you really don`t give a s**t. You are a bleeding heart liberal. **** YOU!
The God Damned terrorists are not innocents.
BBC NEWS | Americas | US army suicides hit record high
Damn shame. These soldiers need improved support. Or hell, better psychological screening for those who can't hack it. I'm not as wise on the subject as some here probably are so I don't know.
BBC NEWS | Americas | US army suicides hit record high
Damn shame. These soldiers need improved support. Or hell, better psychological screening for those who can't hack it. I'm not as wise on the subject as some here probably are so I don't know.
You continue to appear stupid and hateful of our military men and women. The God Damned terrorists are not innocents. The true source of the depression and suicides is much, much deeper than your mental capacity. As a veteran I COULD try to explain what it all feels like, but I`m guessing that you really don`t give a s**t. You are a bleeding heart liberal. **** YOU!
There is a distinction that you seem to have missed.
It's not the killing of combatants that would haunt a man near as much as killing someone that you KNEW was innocent.
I mean if someone is aiming to kill you, it's you or him at that point... but to a 'bleeding heart liberal' even the thought of killing someone in self-defense would scar tham... even though it was justified.
Is it not possible to have pride in the soldiers that are fighting and dying in the name of the country while at the same time despising how wrong the conflict in which they are engaged in is??
BBC NEWS | Americas | US army suicides hit record high
Damn shame. These soldiers need improved support. Or hell, better psychological screening for those who can't hack it. I'm not as wise on the subject as some here probably are so I don't know.
This is why I have no problem with spending more on veterans for things like post war reentry programs and therapy, what really irks me is that we give prisoners more options than veterans and that is not right, we reward the scum and don't pay attention to those heros who put it all on the line. What I don't like about the reporting on this is it reads like a "gotcha" from a paper biased against the last administration, instead it should bring in people who's opinions can determine the problem and help eliminate or at least alleviate it, instead of using soldier tragedies as a political tool.
I think that soldiers are killing themselves because they are watching conspiracy videos with great details and credibility, and they see themselves as to have fought in vain, and that they have been fooled by the government...
YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)
What is that civillian rate. gee, they left that out.
And you are right, you don't know. your speculation on who can hack it is specious at best.
When did I say who can hack it? I simply stated that people who can't hack it (which does happen given the suicides) could and probably should be given a more stringent testing/training before being put in a highly stressful combat situation. I mean, there are people who've been in the military speaking here and they've just made my mind up for me. Again, I didn't say WHO could hack it but simply that a lot of people obviously can't.
And the suicide rate is adjusted to proportion between the two, I believe. And the BBC is a highly respected news source nationally run by a highly pro-US government - I doubt they'd 'make it up'.
Obviously, they need better opt out options. To be stuck to something so much do to words on a paper.... To be stuck to it so much that your life becoming forfeit seems like an acceptable cost. This is honor? This is nobility? This is being true and proud?
You pegged it, nothing to add here, exept that we as a country have to do better, and that includes discrediting those that would forget that willing defense of country is a noble sacrifice.I just joined the American Legion two days ago. They lobby for veterans sevices and veterans rights. Unfortunately the media and our schools (mostly colleges/universities)paint a darker picture for their liberal audiences. We ,,"The drunk, junky ,poor ,homeless, deadbeat veteran",are bad people. A SHAME....
This would be a rather silly assesment of reality. :roll:
Does it matter what percentage? What matters is that over a hundred military personnel felt sufficiently unfit for their duty and the support given that they killed themselves. It is not an issue of figures but rather an issue of 'why is a soldier more likely to kill himself than a normal citizen?' and then to find the best possible solution to that. This is not a pandemic, don't get me wrong, but it should be rooted out and solved.
BBC a left-wing source? Dude, seriously? They wouldn't even air an aid appeal for Gazan's because it might affect their impartial stance. It's not anything - it has pro-left and right-wing and opinion columns and impartial articles.
Do you have any evidence that all 100 out of one million killed themselves due to "lack of support" and that they felt "sufficiently unfit"?
In past years, the Army, which consists of 1.1 million active and reserve troops, has been just below or on par with the national suicide rate, Geren said. This year, with 128 confirmed and 15 pending, an estimated 20.2 suicides occurred per 100,000 soldiers, the highest since the Army began recording the figure in 1980.[11] In a report, the Army said the confirmed rate of suicides among soldiers was 20.2 per 100,000 as of last year, the highest since the service began to track suicide statistics in 1980. It is also higher than the national suicide rate, which is at 19.5 per 100,000.[21]
The army blames the high number on stress caused by repeated tours of duties. This is the first time since the Vietnam War that the suicide rate among soldiers has exceeded that of the civilian population.[17] The rise means that the military suicide rate is proportionally higher than the rate among American civilians for the first time. General Peter Chiarelli, vice chief of the army, said he had "no doubt" that the stress of the ongoing conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan was a factor in the rising suicide rates. He said that long tours of duty and the high pressure of being in combat zones was putting a strain on service personnel and their families.[18]
please. also please if you read your article, is it suggesting that these suicides are all combat related? or does it play word salad to make you feel that way.....
it is a bunk hit piece that we see every few months.
uhm so does fox news. :roll:
'Military suicides' would imply that the 'military' aspect, which does entail being sufficiently fit and able to deal with the pressures, would be one of the causes. If these men felt were capable of surviving the strains of military pressure and/or felt they had sufficient support for dealing with it then they wouldn't have killed themselves. It's that simple.
Question: do you think it's a coincidence that the military suicide rate is higher in proportion to the civilian rate?
A good site for this:
US Army Suicide Rate Reaches Record High. - NewsFeed Researcher Overview Of: Suicide, Suicides, Army, Soldiers, Soldier, Rate, Year, Years, Rates, Officials, Official, Number
65% were. And 'combat' is a facet of military life, albeit the end product. I know over here a lot of lads of kill themselves purely because they can't stand being away from home and feeling like they have nobody.
So does FOX News what? Owned by the nation? We pay for the BBC with our taxes and thus the BBC has a duty, which it fulfills, of being impartial. They have no agenda, no staunchly conservative owners or news anchors. The BBC is just a vesicle of a mixed-spectrum of tax payers views.
US Army suicides hit record high
He was forced to join the US Army?My son just joined the army.
He didn't want to.
He was given a choice between that, or something worse.
This is upsetting for me to hear.
He was forced to join the US Army?
No. He was given a suspended sentence, on the condition that he join some branch of the military.
Which branch was not specified.
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