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[Verax]

Re: University of Cincinnati police officer who shot man during traffic stop charged

This always. Windows cracked so you can talk through them. Doors locked. Hands visible at all times. Identification on the dash so you don't have to reach for it. Don't consent to a search. Don't leave your car.

Same thing with your house. If police show up at your home and you choose to answer the door, walk out the front door and close/lock it behind you. Hands visible at all times and ID in hand.

This sounds good in theory but isn't how it works in the real world. The first thing a cop will do is ask you to roll down your window and when you don't comply he will escalate to violently removing you from the vehicle using any means necessary. If he wants to you will also be charged with assault on a police officer according to whatever he wants to say.

At home if you open your door and attempt to walk out and lock it behind you, you will be met with officers pushing their way in before you get halfway out and your "violent" conduct is all the excuse they need to then do whatever they want at that point.

I've personally witnessed both of these happening among many others. If you want to survive a traffic stop with a bad cop you have only one route, do what they say and be nice no matter what or you will pay and they will almost always get away with it. These videos and witness accounts of wrongdoing are a small minority of what goes on out there.

 

[nota bene]

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This sounds good in theory but isn't how it works in the real world. The first thing a cop will do is ask you to roll down your window and when you don't comply he will escalate to violently removing you from the vehicle using any means necessary. If he wants to you will also be charged with assault on a police officer according to whatever he wants to say.

At home if you open your door and attempt to walk out and lock it behind you, you will be met with officers pushing their way in before you get halfway out and your "violent" conduct is all the excuse they need to then do whatever they want at that point.

I've personally witnessed both of these happening among many others. If you want to survive a traffic stop with a bad cop you have only one route, do what they say and be nice no matter what or you will pay and they will almost always get away with it. These videos and witness accounts of wrongdoing are a small minority of what goes on out there.

I don't have nearly your experience, but I do know that the smart way to be when pulled over is respectful and cooperative.

I'm glad this campus cop was wearing a camera because it exposed his lies.

 

[Soho gator]

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Death by cop is becoming a huge problem. We have bands of roving thugs replete with sociopaths who purportedly "protect and serve" but go about beating and killing the least among us and who when caught conspire amongst themselves to cover their crimes up.

The are a far worse threat than ISIS. It might be time to at least partially disarm them.

 

[Moon]

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It's not an "internet video" it's the cops body cam. I can't say what other evidence could counter what the video clearly showed as the guy putting his hands up and getting shot in the head. It's not he said, witness said, it's clear as day the guy had his hands up.

Sweet, so we can skip the whole trial thing and go straight to sentencing.

 

[Soho gator]

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Sweet, so we can skip the whole trial thing and go straight to sentencing.

It's like the Boston Bomber he will untimately convicted in this case 2nd degree murder life with out parole (due to the coverup)

He probably won't survive in the general population

 

[JANFU]

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Death by cop is becoming a huge problem. We have bands of roving thugs replete with sociopaths who purportedly "protect and serve" but go about beating and killing the least among us and who when caught conspire amongst themselves to cover their crimes up.

The are a far worse threat than ISIS. It might be time to at least partially disarm them.

A tad over the top is my thoughts on this post.
I can sense the anger and disgust with some in the Police, but this is a small number.

The States and the Feds have to institute strict reporting procedures - not voluntary but mandatory-
Officer pulls his weapon - whether shots fired or nor - a report is made.
Shots fired- a rpeort is made.
Failure to file reports, criminal charges laid.

Officer involved killings- Not to be investigated by any Police Agency, excepting the fed level.

 

[braindrain]

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There is but the PD won't release it because it's him talking about how he's about to shoot the man because he really needs the vacation time.

If this is truly what you believe then there is something seriously wrong with you.

 

[reinoe]

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I'm glad this campus cop was wearing a camera because it exposed his lies.

Don't forget that cops are opposed to body cameras because it's harder to get away with murder and theft.

 

[JANFU]

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Don't forget that cops are opposed to body cameras because it's harder to get away with murder and theft.

Do you have a number to that?
As well do you have a link to that?
Cams when used, from body to car have cleared more officers when complaints are based upon 1 on 1 situations.

 

[reinoe]

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Do you have a number to that?
As well do you have a link to that?
Cams when used, from body to car have cleared more officers when complaints are based upon 1 on 1 situations.

True or false...

It's harder to get away with murder and theft if that murder or robbery is caught on camera?

 

[JANFU]

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True or false...

It's harder to get away with murder and theft if that murder or robbery is caught on camera?

Depends.
I have seen video that can cause a person to have to differing opinions.
The question is wide ranging.
I have reviewed thousands of hours of video regarding thefts, incidents and accidents. Video can be deceiving at times, more often than people think
Now care to answer my questions?

 

[americanwoman]

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Sweet, so we can skip the whole trial thing and go straight to sentencing.

Lol ok because that's really what is happening here.

 

[Chomsky]

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Even worse another cop present said that the shooter was being dragged by the car. Typical police attempt to cover bad behavior up.

These two are sociopaths.

The usual cover-up for fellow officers is the crux of the problem, IMO.

If cops know other cops will arrest them for criminal acts - rather than act as their co-conspirators - police crime will drop like a stone!

Who commits crime in the presence of cops? Not you, I, or the bad guys.

So why should bad cops feel so comfortable doing it?

The answer of course, is: They *shouldn't*!

 

[Moon]

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Lol ok because that's really what is happening here.

Hell yeah! Mob justice is the FUTURE!! Don't need a trial, we have a VIDEO!

 

[WSUwarrior]

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Another innocent officer getting his life ruined.

 

[disneydude]

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I didn't think we charged police with crimes.

Well it's up to the State to prove the charge then. There have been a lot of fatal shootings of unarmed folk as of late, and we're going to need to be serious about reviewing those and when wrong doing is found, punishing those at fault.

Police do sometimes get charged....unfortunately though, Juries will bend over backwards to avoid convicting them even in the face of uncontroverted evidence. As a result, it breeds an atmosphere of invincibility......often they won't be charged and when they do, juries walk them...so there is little accountability.

 

[disneydude]

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^^^ This. I'd want to see the camera footage. The cop was wearing (apparently) a body camera which was working, so why would he basically execute this man on camera.... ? That doesn't make much sense to me but hey, truth is many times stranger than fiction.

Because of the arrogance of "invincibility". Cops know that they are rarely charged and when they are, juries will bend over backwards to avoid convicting them. I've seen in hundreds of times in my line of work...not to this extreme however.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Another innocent officer getting his life ruined.

why not wait until the court figures this one out. I was at the Hamilton county court today. I talked to several prominent defense attorneys, among others. The extremely pro police (admittedly this was a U of C cop without a big union unlike the Cincinnati PD or the Hamilton County Deputies) County Prosecutor-Joe Deters said it was the worst case of police misconduct he had seen. Me, I think the shooting was a bad one. Murder? might be a slight stretch but its a wrongful shooting based on what I saw. That the cop LIED doesn't help his case

 

[TurtleDude]

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Police do sometimes get charged....unfortunately though, Juries will bend over backwards to avoid convicting them even in the face of uncontroverted evidence. As a result, it breeds an atmosphere of invincibility......often they won't be charged and when they do, juries walk them...so there is little accountability.

Perhaps. The fact remains, cops walk a thin line. and lots of citizens and DA's understand that. This one appears to be pretty bad misconduct. But we also see cops get pilloried by the racial racketeers on righteous shootings such as the one that started the current wave of lunacy in Missouri.

 

[Soho gator]

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Another innocent officer getting his life ruined.

Well there goes my hope for you as a reasonable person.

This guy's going to get murdered in prison.

Tronic.

 

[Ahlevah]

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Good for Cincinnati but let's see if the officer is actually convicted.

Presumably you mean IF he's guilty, right? Or would you rather just dispense with the trial?

 

[Objective Voice]

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^^^ This. I'd want to see the camera footage. The cop was wearing (apparently) a body camera which was working, so why would he basically execute this man on camera.... ? That doesn't make much sense to me but hey, truth is many times stranger than fiction.

This article is relevant to your points: The video of police killing of Sam Dubose is apparently so bad, Cincinnati is preparing for riots

Apparently the Police Chief and the City Manager have already seen the video and are so worried at how bad the video appears that they are concerned about riots.

Video at the source: U. of Cincinnati Cop Indicted in Traffic Stop Killing, Video Released

The officer said that as Dubose drove off, he was dragged by Dubose's car and shot him because he "feared for his life". The footage shows that the officer lied and he was, in fact, not "dragged" by the car. I don't know why the officer lied even though that he knew his body camera was on, but he did.

I watched the video and it's clear the officer shot the driver at point-blank range just as he tried to drive off. You can see the officer open the driver's side door slightly, but the drive instantly closes it. He then tries to drive off. The officer tries to get the driver to stop and when he doesn't, the officer shoots him. It doesn't appear to me that the officer was being dragged; just that he was trying to hang on to the window frame or grab a hold of the driver or possibly the steering wheel and get him to stop. The video gets jerky at that point. So, it's hard to tell what he reached for.

I don't know if officer endangerment will hold here. It's not as if the officer's arm was trapped in the driver's side window or that his uniform was caught on the car's exterior. If the officer's uniform wasn't caught on the car or his arm wasn't entrapped, this will probably go down as murder or (involuntary) manslaughter because the officer could have let go and moved free and clear of the moving vehicle at any time.

 

[Objective Voice]

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WATCH: Body cam video released in Sam DuBose shooting - Story
video release. The cop pulled him over to murder him. The "Front Tag" was just a bull**** excuse.

I don't think this was premeditated, but it's clear that the officer was too quick to draw his weapon and fire.

I just saw a snippet of the video on my local news. They aired the moment of the shooting. It's clear that the officer wasn't dragged. It happened so quick! No sooner did the driver start to pull off does the officer draw his weapon and shots him point-blank in the head.

Murder for sure!

 

[Objective Voice]

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That part is questionable as to whether it is legal or not. First, if the cop had probable cause, he could demand that the man get out of his car, and if he does not the cop has the right to open the door and "remove" the man. The cop was talking about a potential liquor bottle in the floor board, asked the man to take off his seat belt and then tried to open the door.

IMHO, the officer did not have probable cause or the right to open the man's door. You, however, are assuming a lot by saying that the man feared for his life. We can never know what he was thinking because he is dead now. He may have been just trying to get away because he didn't have his license with him and didn't want a ticket. It could have been that simple.

It's illegal. The police cannot search your vehicle unless they have probably cause to do so. And even then they have to place you under arrest before the search can commence. The officer never had a reason to open the man's car. He showed him the bottle of ligour and it was still sealed. The officer never claimed to smell marijuana in the car nor observe any other questionable illegal substance in the car. So, up until that point where the driver tried to pull away, the only illegal action the driver performed was driving without a valid driver's license and not have a secondary license plate on the front of his car (apparently) as required by Ohio state law.

The officer was wrong here. This was murder.

 

[TurtleDude]

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It's illegal. The police cannot search your vehicle unless they have probably cause to do so. And even then they have to place you under arrest before the search can commence. The officer never had a reason to open the man's car. He showed him the bottle of ligour and it was still sealed. The officer never claimed to smell marijuana in the car nor observe any other questionable illegal substance in the car. So, up until that point where the driver tried to pull away, the only illegal action the driver performed was driving without a valid driver's license and not have a secondary license plate on the front of his car (apparently) as required by Ohio state law.

The officer was wrong here. This was murder.

1) Ohio requires a front license plate. Cops all want it. Just about everyone else doesn't. Its not considered a MOVING violation and there are no points accessed for a violation. The HC Prosecutor stated that the UC cop did have probable cause to stop the deceased though. The deceased has an extensive record though none of his offenses were violent

2) I don't know if its murder. I'd call it an unjustifiable homicide which could be termed manslaughter.

3) this trial is going to be interesting. Counsel for the officer is going to have a good argument for a change in venue for two grounds

a) the inflammatory comments of Joe Deters

b) the fact that an acquittal might cause violence or riots could cause the jury to ignore the facts and convict on impermissible grounds

4) I am getting a sense that the Local prosecutor and the Cincinnati Chief of Police are being a bit too quick to damn this officer in an effort to salve the bad blood between Deters and the Police Hierarchy vs the Black Community in Cincinnati