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Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?
Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?
hmmmm....making people less dependent on a 'nanny state', and not subservient to kings, lords and dictators sounds so nice...in theory..but in practice, the views you advocate, the abolishment of unions, the limiting of a group's power to negotiate for a better living, goes against that theory....in actuality, the views you have would keep people subservient, their existence to be determined by the whims of the powerful, would keep them 'in their place', to serve the powerful, the kings, the dictators, the lords...your views would keep people begging for the scraps that are left over.....
Just a quick side bar:
I sat for 2 and half hours watching this fat F##K of the lead shipper bullsh#ting with his buddy before putting on a crate (just 1)for China, not only does this cost me money but also time that I don't have. Even the underlings said that this dude is a lazy F*** but there was nothing they could do, the only one who can release the shipment was him. This is standard operating procedure for unions on the east coast, this is the rule not the exception. I have to deal with a lot of unions in my line of work.
I got into a fight at the GM plant back in 1988, I got out of my truck and I didn't say one word not even boo and this security guy started yelling at me for no reason...so I punched him in the face. I wouldn't have until he started calling me a MF'er. Anyrate I was banded for life...LOL, they did me a favor.There are plenty of union horror stories. GM's job banks. NYC's rubber room. McCormack Place Convention Center. Rosemont, IL Convention Center. Ridiculous union rules that are sucking blood from those who have to interact with them....hurting their own companies and the general public/taxpayers.
It is past time for reform. I hope we're on the way.
You do realize that this is the internets right.
Being real pompous and bragging about **** you cannot show us or prove is not the way to go in an honest intellectual debate.
Your "personal experience" is irrelevant here because every person is a case by case basis, and you cannot substantiate your claims of business prowess.
Paying someone with specialized skills to perform a task normally outside of your expertise is not a bad thing to do. Contract negotiations would be something most people would engage in once every few years, and require going into the financial wellbeing of the company to see the potential for compensation increases. Paying someone to do that so you can focus on what you are good at is a good idea. Companies do that all the time, why not individuals seeking to maximize their compensation as well. A CEO will hire a team of lawyers, accounts etc to go over various contracts, a singular individual will not have the resources to do that, so by pooling their resource the workers can level the playing field and generally maximize their compensation. All in all a very capitalistic thing to do. It also involves specialization of skills to improve overall efficiency
couldnt have said it better myself, thanks...You do realize that this is the internets right.
Being real pompous and bragging about **** you cannot show us or prove is not the way to go in an honest intellectual debate.
Your "personal experience" is irrelevant here because every person is a case by case basis, and you cannot substantiate your claims of business prowess.
Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?
couldnt have said it better myself, thanks...
Most teachers and police officers don't go into their profession for the money...
Most teachers and police officers don't need unions either. A merit system works quite well. Unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential.
I think your probably right, although once in I imagine they are quite dissappointed when they find out what rules they must play by. Then there are the lifers in other words slugs, that will drag the rest down with them.Most teachers and police officers don't go into their profession for the money...
It would be the military.Where is your data to back those claims up?
Where is your data to back those claims up?
and alot of good hardworking people get shortchanged in shops without unions...you labor under the assumption that if you bust ass and work hard, that you will be 'rewarded'....sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, no guarantees. i'm gonna let some of you in on a secret, and i'm sure this will come as a big shock to you...THIS COUNTRY IS A UNION!!! gasp!! shock!!! the horror!!! a group of states banded together...formed a UNION, because they realized that together they were much stronger than they ever would be apart....Has absolutely nothing to do with bragging, but everything to do with common sense and logic. Doesn't seem to matter to liberals who always need someone else to negotiate for them. Unions just like a minimum wage also serve as the maximum wage that has to be paid and that shortchanges a lot of good people who could do better if paid base upon performance and initiative.
It would be the military.
Most teachers and police officers don't go into their profession for the money...
and it is statements like your last sentence that are the reason so few people take you seriously...Where is yours that teachers and police need unions and why is that relevant at this point. I live in a community where teachers and the police aren't unions, they make as much if not more than police in another community that is unionized. These teachers and police don't pay union dues thus are doing better.
Most quality individuals don't like the actions of the thugs in the unions.
Where is yours that teachers and police need unions and why is that relevant at this point. I live in a community where teachers and the police aren't unions, they make as much if not more than police in another community that is unionized. These teachers and police don't pay union dues thus are doing better.
Most quality individuals don't like the actions of the thugs in the unions.
Most teachers and police officers don't need unions either. A merit system works quite well. Unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential.
Well they are thousands of examples out there for and against, the bottom line is that everyone in a free country has the right to work, especially when it comes to the government. They should be able to do so with being forced or coerced into joining a union. Now for one more example, this would be the oil industry from the roustabout on up.The military proves that merit evaluation works for the military. I want proof that it works for teachers and police officers whose profession exists a completely separate realm of society with different problems and challenges.
and alot of good hardworking people get shortchanged in shops without unions...you labor under the assumption that if you bust ass and work hard, that you will be 'rewarded'....sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, no guarantees. i'm gonna let some of you in on a secret, and i'm sure this will come as a big shock to you...THIS COUNTRY IS A UNION!!! gasp!! shock!!! the horror!!! a group of states banded together...formed a UNION, because they realized that together they were much stronger than they ever would be apart....
I never made that claim so I don't need to provide data. Where is your data to back your claims up though? I want to see the data.
Where is the data that proves teachers and police officers don't need unions?
Where is the data that proves the merit system works well for teachers and police officers?
Where is the data that shows unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential?
Do have verifiable evidence or are you making empty claims?
and it is statements like your last sentence that are the reason so few people take you seriously...
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