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What unions have done is promote wages for hard working people so these workers can sustain themselves and/or their families.

Unions have prevented millions from needing social services assistance.

Unions have promoted wage increases that encourages workers to stay on the job. Unions set the pace for non union workers as well by keeping wages up.

Politicians lie a lot concerning unions.

What is wrong with workers making plenty of money that ultimately promotes economic growth?

If some on here think union workers are over paid how can these thinkers stand by the wages and benefits capitol hill elected officials are taking from the taxpayers?

Congress needs to double the size of COVID 19 checks to the people until COVID 19 subsides and Congress needs above all else to take a 50% cut in pay until COVID 19 subsides. After all it is the elected officials who brought this wrath on we the taxpayers and our economy.

If employers would pay their employees say $32.50 per hour as a starting wage unions likely would not be necessary. Too many employers fail to respect that workers help make employers well to do, wealthy or very rich ......... employers cannot do all of the work themselves.

Screwing workers is not acceptable behavior.
 
I was a Union Steward for more than 15 years. Most of that list is either empty or bunk.

I employers could pay $32/hr they actually might. But it's silly to wonder what it would be like if they did, when they can't. $15 as a starting wage is unreasonably high in most of the country.
 
Razoo said:
Screwing workers is not acceptable behavior.
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Where that only true, but all evidence points to the contrary.

Screwing workers is exactly the American business model.
 
Razoo said:
What unions have done is promote wages for hard working people so these workers can sustain themselves and/or their families.

Unions have prevented millions from needing social services assistance.

Unions have promoted wage increases that encourages workers to stay on the job. Unions set the pace for non union workers as well by keeping wages up.

Politicians lie a lot concerning unions.

What is wrong with workers making plenty of money that ultimately promotes economic growth?

If some on here think union workers are over paid how can these thinkers stand by the wages and benefits capitol hill elected officials are taking from the taxpayers?

Congress needs to double the size of COVID 19 checks to the people until COVID 19 subsides and Congress needs above all else to take a 50% cut in pay until COVID 19 subsides. After all it is the elected officials who brought this wrath on we the taxpayers and our economy.

If employers would pay their employees say $32.50 per hour as a starting wage unions likely would not be necessary. Too many employers fail to respect that workers help make employers well to do, wealthy or very rich ......... employers cannot do all of the work themselves.

Screwing workers is not acceptable behavior.
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I've been in 3 major unions over the years.
Steelworkers, American Flint Glass workers, and teamsters.
They were all worthless - excessive Union dues, percentage of overtime, and the biggest obstacle to running profitable businesses.
I'd advice anyone to steer clear of all of them.
 
Razoo said:
What unions have done is promote wages for hard working people so these workers can sustain themselves and/or their families.

Unions have prevented millions from needing social services assistance.

Unions have promoted wage increases that encourages workers to stay on the job. Unions set the pace for non union workers as well by keeping wages up.

Politicians lie a lot concerning unions.

What is wrong with workers making plenty of money that ultimately promotes economic growth?

If some on here think union workers are over paid how can these thinkers stand by the wages and benefits capitol hill elected officials are taking from the taxpayers?

Congress needs to double the size of COVID 19 checks to the people until COVID 19 subsides and Congress needs above all else to take a 50% cut in pay until COVID 19 subsides. After all it is the elected officials who brought this wrath on we the taxpayers and our economy.

If employers would pay their employees say $32.50 per hour as a starting wage unions likely would not be necessary. Too many employers fail to respect that workers help make employers well to do, wealthy or very rich ......... employers cannot do all of the work themselves.

Screwing workers is not acceptable behavior.
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Unions are good in Theory, but what they have turn in to is a mafia that Blackmail their employer.
Now before you try to point out caveats, here's the Solution for Unions to be the Great thing
They/You believe. Unions should just Become the Business / Industry that they Fighting/trying
to get money from !

So don't be a Union, become the Business that the Union works for/with!
Once a Union becomes "The Business" they can pay their "Employees" (Union Members)
AS MUCH AS THEY WANT ON DAY 1 !....

You do not realizes that People /Workers ARE NOT FORCED to work at a bad job.
You seem to feel that "OTHERS" are responsible for making "YOUR" life wonderful ...

You know that there are NO LAWS that Stops "YOU", Libs, DEMs, or UNIONS from Becoming
an "EMPLOYER"! And once "YOU" become an "EMPLOYER" "YOU" can pay your Employees
$32.50 /hr !!!!!
Please GO DO THAT ! Show the World how it's done !
And Quit expecting OTHERS to Do that FOR YOU....
 
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Steve N said:
Unions are why my company is going broke and laying off union members. Have any of you ever been in a union negotiation for a contract? I have. More later.
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look forward to hearing/reading why your company is going broke due to the union

also want to know about your union contract negotiations and how they went
 
Razoo said:
What unions have done is promote wages for hard working people so these workers can sustain themselves and/or their families.

Unions have prevented millions from needing social services assistance.

Unions have promoted wage increases that encourages workers to stay on the job. Unions set the pace for non union workers as well by keeping wages up.

Politicians lie a lot concerning unions.

What is wrong with workers making plenty of money that ultimately promotes economic growth?

If some on here think union workers are over paid how can these thinkers stand by the wages and benefits capitol hill elected officials are taking from the taxpayers?

Congress needs to double the size of COVID 19 checks to the people until COVID 19 subsides and Congress needs above all else to take a 50% cut in pay until COVID 19 subsides. After all it is the elected officials who brought this wrath on we the taxpayers and our economy.

If employers would pay their employees say $32.50 per hour as a starting wage unions likely would not be necessary. Too many employers fail to respect that workers help make employers well to do, wealthy or very rich ......... employers cannot do all of the work themselves.

Screwing workers is not acceptable behavior.
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Go open a used book store, coffee shop, or a diner and see how long you can make payroll at $32.00 an hour.

I dare you.
 
NoMoreDems-Reps said:
Unions are good in Theory, but what they have turn in to is a mafia that Blackmail their employer.
Now before you try to point out caveats, here's the Solution for Unions to be the Great thing
They/You believe. Unions should just Become the Business / Industry that they Fighting/trying
to get money from !

So don't be a Union, become the Business that the Union works for/with!
Once a Union becomes "The Business" they can pay their "Employees" (Union Members)
AS MUCH AS THEY WANT ON DAY 1 !....

You do not realizes that People /Workers ARE NOT FORCED to work at a bad job.
You seem to feel that "OTHERS" are responsible for making "YOUR" life wonderful ...

You know that there are NO LAWS that Stops "YOU", Libs, DEMs, or UNIONS from Becoming
an "EMPLOYER"! And once "YOU" become an "EMPLOYER" "YOU" can pay your Employees
$32.50 /hr !!!!!
Please GO DO THAT ! Show the World how it's done !
And Quit expecting OTHERS to Do that FOR YOU....
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This post is devoid of intelligible English, riddled with excessive capitalization, and would be ignored. .
 
People in America need to shop America and pay workers instead of whining it is too much money.

Low wages will never grow an economy effectively.

Supply Side Economics New World Order Global Economy sold out America!!!!!!!!!

Unions did not do that ALEC Republican Wreckanomics sent USA jobs abroad with a USA tax code that prevents taxing on profits made abroad. Large USA corporations
screwed USA workers big time with preferential tax codes attached.

Free Trade Deals screw the USA.
 
There's only a need for a union if the employer creates one. Fair pay, safe working conditions, good leadership and competitive benefits will generally prevent a union from forming.
 
itstony said:
There's only a need for a union if the employer creates one. Fair pay, safe working conditions, good leadership and competitive benefits will generally prevent a union from forming.
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Well said.
 
When I was in CA several groups of technicians decided they wanted to unionize and I was asked to be an observer during the first contract discussions. If I recall correctly, the meeting consisted of 3 union reps, 4 technicians, my director and 3 managers. Other than introducing myself, I never said a word throughout the meeting.

Since this was the first meeting it was all about us listening to what the union wanted and when they made it known they were going to ask for things my director told them that more than likely everything they ask for will be met with something we ask for, but since this was the first meeting we were just listening to what they wanted. The first thing the union wanted was having the union dues automatically taken from the tech's pay and deposited in the union's bank, the union didn't want to chase the techs for their dues. The second thing they wanted was for it to be mandatory for the entire bargaining unit to be in the union, they wanted to make sure no one could opt out. The third thing they wanted was to include every hourly employee, including people who were not techs, people like warehouse personnel and administrative assistants, to be included in the bargaining unit, they wanted as many people as possible to be in the union and pay dues. After that, I believe they finally went on to discussing work hours and schedules, vacation, and so on. What they also pushed was seniority among the techs is golden and they would be the first or last to be impacted depending on what the issue was, i.e. they'd be the first in line for choosing their vacation time and would be last in line for undesirable work. The techs who were in the room were all long time employees and seniority would have helped them and not the newer techs who didn't have a voice at the table.

What you see above is the union asking for three things that benefit them (payroll deduction of dues, mandatory union membership for everyone, increasing the categories of people to be represented) and in return, had this been accepted by the company, the union would have been asked to make three concessions. Here's the thing, the union doesn't have anything to make concessions with, only the techs do. So if this had played out, the score would have been, the union +3, the techs -3 and the company even.

That was the only meeting I ever attended. After not making progress for a year, the techs decided the contract talks were going no where and what was being discussed may have actually worked against them, so they never ratified a contract and decertified.

This is my first story about unions. I still have another one.
 
www.unionplus.org

Eight Reasons to Thank Unions

Union Plus benefits offered by the AFL-CIO's Union Privilege provides consumer savings, discounts, benefits, and education resources to active and retired labor union members.
www.unionplus.org www.unionplus.org

  1. Weekends Off: Massive union strikes in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries led to shorter work weeks with weekends off. This allowed Americans to be home with loved ones instead of constantly working.
  2. Paid Vacations: With summer coming to a close, take time to thank your union for the paid vacation time that made it possible to rest and relax with your family.
  3. Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA): Unions spearheaded the fight that resulted in the passage of this law that gives eligible employees the right to take up to 12 weeks of job-protected unpaid leave annually for family and medical reasons.
  4. Breaks at Work—Including Lunch: Although they are now federally mandated, breaks haven't always been an employee right. Studies have shown, breaks provide important rest periods that improve safety and productivity.
  5. Sick Leave: Without paid sick leave, many workers couldn't afford to take the time necessary to recover from illnesses and accidents.
  6. Paid Holidays: Labor Day is one of nine paid holidays offered by most employers in the U.S. As you spend time with family and friends this Labor Day, thank your union.
  7. Military Leave: The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act ensures those that serve their country can keep civilian employment and benefits, and seek employment free from discrimination.
  8. 40-hour Work Week: Americans once worked 60 hours a week or more. It wasn't until the 1950's that 40-hour work weeks and 8-hour work days became standard across America thanks to union negotiations.
 
Razoo said:
What unions have done is promote wages for hard working people so these workers can sustain themselves and/or their families.

Unions have prevented millions from needing social services assistance.

Unions have promoted wage increases that encourages workers to stay on the job. Unions set the pace for non union workers as well by keeping wages up.

Politicians lie a lot concerning unions.

What is wrong with workers making plenty of money that ultimately promotes economic growth?

If some on here think union workers are over paid how can these thinkers stand by the wages and benefits capitol hill elected officials are taking from the taxpayers?

Congress needs to double the size of COVID 19 checks to the people until COVID 19 subsides and Congress needs above all else to take a 50% cut in pay until COVID 19 subsides. After all it is the elected officials who brought this wrath on we the taxpayers and our economy.

If employers would pay their employees say $32.50 per hour as a starting wage unions likely would not be necessary. Too many employers fail to respect that workers help make employers well to do, wealthy or very rich ......... employers cannot do all of the work themselves.

Screwing workers is not acceptable behavior.
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Razoo said:
What unions have done is promote wages for hard working people so these workers can sustain themselves and/or their families.

Unions have prevented millions from needing social services assistance.

Unions have promoted wage increases that encourages workers to stay on the job. Unions set the pace for non union workers as well by keeping wages up.

Politicians lie a lot concerning unions.

What is wrong with workers making plenty of money that ultimately promotes economic growth?

If some on here think union workers are over paid how can these thinkers stand by the wages and benefits capitol hill elected officials are taking from the taxpayers?

Congress needs to double the size of COVID 19 checks to the people until COVID 19 subsides and Congress needs above all else to take a 50% cut in pay until COVID 19 subsides. After all it is the elected officials who brought this wrath on we the taxpayers and our economy.

If employers would pay their employees say $32.50 per hour as a starting wage unions likely would not be necessary. Too many employers fail to respect that workers help make employers well to do, wealthy or very rich ......... employers cannot do all of the work themselves.

Screwing workers is not acceptable behavior.
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Ironic, with all the wonderful things you list unions are routinely rejected in secret ballot representation election.
 
workers need to be educated .....

misinformation should be punishable by federal law
 
itstony said:
There's only a need for a union if the employer creates one. Fair pay, safe working conditions, good leadership and competitive benefits will generally prevent a union from forming.
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Correct. Nobody needs a union... til they need one. We defeated a union at my place of work. Had the union won, I wouldnt have lost my job due unfairly.
From a management perspective, I remember one construction boss telling me of the saying among his fellow bosses, “Anybody who gets a union deserves one.” The larger picture is that the flatlining of real wages in past decades has sort of corresponded with the decline of unions’ power. And of course, we have unions to thank for the 40 hr week, unemployment insurance, workers comp and other benefits.
 
Jezcoe said:
IA 52 over here. I make a very solid blue collar wage in NYC, Not possible without Unions.
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You're a studio wrench? Wow, I bet you have a lot of stories to tell about the recent moves at ABC and CBS, and the coming mass move at NBC.
 
Bullseye said:
Ironic, with all the wonderful things you list unions are routinely rejected in secret ballot representation election.
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Gee, I wonder why. Maybe it’s the hit men consultants the bosses hire to fight them, isolate pro-union employees, spread rumors about lost jobs, right to work laws, etc. Or maybe individual workers prefer going one on one against corporate power as their path to a better life. Who needs a periodic raise, an advocate if you are sexually harassed, or told to not complain about the part of the factory that has chemicals you inhale that are unsafe, or when your quotas for performance are jacked up.
 
itstony said:
There's only a need for a union if the employer creates one. Fair pay, safe working conditions, good leadership and competitive benefits will generally prevent a union from forming.
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Well, you just answered your own question.
 
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