Re: Unintended consequences of attacking PP.
According to the hard sciences listed in my post you quote, those three stages (ZEF) are not at all significant in any way when it comes to determining if the ZEF is alive.
According to the hard sciences listed in my post you quote, viable fetuses and infants surviving without the mother are, again, not at all significant in any way when it comes to determining if the ZEF is alive.
The question was when does a human begin to live, and are there varying degrees of being alive?
The answer is at conception and, no, there are no varying degrees of being alive; one is either alive or dead, and for those who are alive there are simply varying degrees of health.
I said the human (scientific term) zygote, embryo, and early fetus are completely dependent on the mother and you seem to want to deny it.
I did not say "varying degrees of being alive", YOU said that.
Yes you did create the issue here.
Go back and read your post.
In context, you were stating that because adoption agencies don't put ZEFs up for adoption, ZEFs aren't "fully alive", in effect, as you supported Choiceone's sophistry.
I simply corrected your error.
If you didn't "really" mean that, you might want to be more careful how you write, so that you truly say what you really mean.
You have a tendency to be obscure, perhaps purposely.
You're reading things into my posts that are not there.
Since I didn't say "fully alive", "partially alive", or any other such nonsense you should correct your posting style and quit putting words in my mouth.
You simply added what you wanted to add. I cannot be responsible for your delusions.
You misrepresent what I have written.
You misquote me.
You make arguments against things I've never posted.
There is nothing obscure about what I write. I simply expect people to remember the definitions that have already been established.
If you still do not understand then you should ask questions instead of attacking something you assume.
The question being discussed was "Is the ZEF a human that is alive?"
The answer is "yes".
The answer is "yes" from conception all through pregnancy, unless the ZEF dies.
There is no "in between", "partially", potentially, "less than" when it comes to the ZEF being alive. There is only not alive yet (prior to conception), now alive (from conception on), and dead (if death indeed does occur).
There is no stage of development from conception on where that is not true.
There are a number of relevant matters relating to specific stages of growth with regard to the abortion issue, but the ZEF being alive is not one of those stage-dependent relevant matters.
I fail to acknowledge nothing.
You are simply trying to fabricate meaning where there is none.
If that's all this discussion is about then it's over before it even began.
I agreed several pages ago that a human (scientific term) zygote was alive. That should be obvious to anybody who's had even a high school science course. You don't need to convince me of that scientific fact.
You are being disingenuous by suggesting I believe otherwise - again trying to put words in my mouth.
A ZEF is alive as alive can be, a living human from conception.
What part of that scientific reality is so difficult for you?!
None of it is difficult for me. I acknowledged that several pages ago.
Why is it so difficult for you to follow the conversation?
Your statement here is topically meaningless and irrelevant.
Not at all. It addresses live humans (scientific term) who are killed daily, sanctioned by society.
I thought that was the point of this thread, addressing the plight of humans (scientific term) who are killed voluntarily by those responsible for them?
A vegetative human (legal and scientific term) "is alive as alive can be", as you say.
Why aren't you also taking up their plight because, according to you, there is no difference between them and a human (scientific term) zygote, no difference at all.
Where is the concern for the vegetative human (legal and scientific term)?
Where is the outrage for the vegetative human (legal and scientific term)?
If you have no concern or outrage for vegetative humans (legal and scientific term) than I have to wonder about the sincerity of your concern for a human (scientific term) zygote.
