Understanding racism and how to spot it

[watsup]

It wasn't only those of European stock in the USA that owned slaves before the practice was abolished.
The indigenous peoples, the 1st Americans did also. My avatar is a rendering of William Weatherford,
(Lum-Chate the Red Eagle) son of a Creek princess and a Scots trader who amassed
a fortune in land & money. Weatherford renounced his fathers wealth to seek his future with his mother's
people, and the Creek warchief lead them to astonishing victories against the government of the United States.

A few of the Creek leaders were intermarried with the whites. Alexander McGillivray, William Weatherford &
William MacIntosh all had wealth compared to the richest white men in the Alabama Georgia North Florida
areas, & all had slaves.

McGillivray's status among the Creeks, who did not customarily have a single leader, was
controversial and sometimes resented. His chief asset to insure he was seen as a leader was
his ability to hand out gifts to the Creeks from both Britain and Spain. He was the most "Anglicized" of
Creeks, and built solid houses, planted orchards, and ran a plantation (and owned about 60 slaves)
Theodore Roosevelt deemed McGillivray “perhaps the most gifted man who was ever born on the soil of Alabama.”

So not just the European settlers but also the indigenous people of the south when wealth allowed
were slave owners. Quite a few Southern blacks own slaves, I'll mention just one.

William Ellison was one of the largest slave owners in South Carolina as well as one of the wealthiest. He was born a slave and was given the name April, after the month in which he was born. He was luckier than most and was bought by a white slave owner named William Ellison, who took the time to educate him. When he was 26 years old, he was freed by his master and began building his expansive cotton plantation. As a free man, he had his name changed to William Ellison, that of his former owner.

What makes Ellison so despicable and earns him the top spot on this list is how he collected his wealth. Ellison was known to have made a large proportion of his money as a slave breeder. Breeding slaves was illegal in many Southern states, but Ellison secretly sold almost all females born, keeping a select few for future breeding. He kept many of the young males, as they were considered useful on his plantation. Ellison was known to be a harsh master, and his slaves were almost starved and extremely poorly clothed. He kept a windowless building on his property for the specific purpose of chaining his misbehaving slaves. If interested I could mention 5 or 6 other blacks with similar plantations.

So in the ante-bellum South there were three distinct races & all of them who lived in the south & all without
qualms utilized the peculiar institution to accumulate wealth. I'd go easy on the 'white supremacy indignations
if I were you. It was legal throughout Europe & South America & it sure was practiced in Africa also whether or
not there were laws there at the time. All three races, all that lived in America at the time, all that had the means,
were slave owners at the time Andrew Jackson defeated the Red Eagle at Horseshoe Bend.

I believe I answered your question 'What exactly is "their own side"?

Not sure that the acts of a few non-whites or of slavery anywhere else somehow justifies the widspreas scourge of African slavery all across the Old South, or that the Confedracy then went to war to maintain that "privilege". Unless, of course, you actually think that many wrongs somehow make any of them right. I don't.

 

[Logical1]

The first step in stopping racism is understanding what it actually is. But that's not always easy. If you're not sure what racism is and what it looks like, that's okay. We've put together this handy guide to help you.

Understanding racism and how to spot it

This guide will help you understand what racism is and why it happens. Learn about different types of racism, and how you can put a stop to it.

au.reachout.com

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If the word racist is used by a liberal, it is probably a lie.

 

[COTO]

Ugh. It just propagates the "institutional power" foolishness, which is essentially just excusing racism depending on people's race. And apparently without any sense of irony.



Racism is ascription of the hypothetical qualities of a racial group to all members of that racial group. Young black men as a whole have a higher rate of criminality, therefore every young black man you meet is a likely criminal. Whites as a whole are privileged, therefore every white person you meet is privileged. Anyone who thinks like that, and acts according to it, is a racist.

Ah, the absurdity of the article nicely lampooned in a 2-minute cartoon.

And for those who might claim that the video is exaggerating the claim being made, we have it right here from reachout.com:

We’ve taken a look at how history and institutions add to racial disadvantages. But the most important way these two things work together is by creating an imbalance of power based on race. This is why a black person can use the n-word, or why Asian people can make jokes about their own race. There is no imbalance of power in that exchange. But when a dominant race uses certain language or makes stereotypical jokes about another race that lacks the same historical and institutional power, this is called ‘racism’.​

Nice try, reachout.com, but I call buuuuuullll tweeedy.

 

[watsup]

If the word racist is used by a liberal, it is probably a lie.

If liberals are accused of lies, it is probably a lie.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

If the word racist is used by a liberal, it is probably a lie.

Let's put the BS aside for one moment, ok?
Any one with half a brain cell can tell when a liar is a liar.
Any one with half a brain cell can tell if your wife or husband is cheating on you.
Any one with half a brain cell can tell the difference between facts and conspiracy theories.
AND any one with half a brain cell can tell a racist when they hear one.

You can't possibly go through life not getting a clue about human behavior and what certain behaviors tell you about a person.
If you went to a doctor who rushed you through an appointment or spent the appointment with you looking at his secretary, wouldn't you figure out the doctor doesn't really care a shit about you?

People who live in bubbles, spend their days glued to Fox or reading up on conspiracy theories, never spend much time engaging with the outside world or observing human behavior end up with being blindsided when their wife tells them they found someone else or you get a phone call that your kid got arrested for drugs (and then lament "I didn't see that one coming")

When you know someone is lying but you idolize him, doesn't matter if he is your preacher, your neighbor, your uncle or your President, you have to be smart enough to recognize the liar for what he is.

Same goes with a racist, a racist will ALWAYS say they aren't racist, and then give you verbal cues that in fact they are - and any person with reasoning capacity will recognize those cues, only those who "refuse to see the obvious" would miss those cues.

I don't think I need to say it doesn't take much to recognize who the racists are on discussion boards. They make it way to easy.

 

[Carleen]

Liberals are the most racist people I know.

You need to explain that. Thank you.

 

[Underestimated]

I haven't read all the posts, I must have missed it. What did the author get incorrect, or in which post did you make that clear?

Understanding racism and how to spot it

The first step in stopping racism is understanding what it actually is. But that's not always easy. If you're not sure what racism is and what it looks like, that's okay. We've put together this handy guide to help you. https://au.reachout.com/articles/what-is-racism-and-how-to-spot-it

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Ok let me slim it down and put it this way. Whites make up 76% of our population and 86% of our country's wealth. As with all things, there's always exceptions, but relative to blacks the average white conservative has nothing to fear about their life being negatively effected by a black's racism or systemic racism...

It's not an n+1 system and it's not just conservatives. Let me ask this. Do you believe in freedom of speech, where every opinion has a right to be heard even though you may disagree with that opinion?[/QUOTE]

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Same goes with a racist, a racist will ALWAYS say they aren't racist, and then give you verbal cues that in fact they are - and any person with reasoning capacity will recognize those cues, only those who "refuse to see the obvious" would miss those cues.

I don't think I need to say it doesn't take much to recognize who the racists are on discussion boards. They make it way to easy.

Someone isn't nessicarily a racist, just because some social justice warrior on an internet forum board says so.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Someone isn't nessicarily a racist, just because some social justice warrior on an internet forum board says so.

that was not my point, now was it?
interesting too that you only highlighted part of my comment and skipped the rest.
the examples I gave for instance of people with open eyes being able to spot a bad doctor, a cheating wife, or other things where clear clues and cues are available.
people with open eyes will spot a racist by their verbal (for written cues), and I know how to read them well.

 

[watsup]

Understanding racism and how to spot it

The first step in stopping racism is understanding what it actually is. But that's not always easy. If you're not sure what racism is and what it looks like, that's okay. We've put together this handy guide to help you. https://au.reachout.com/articles/what-is-racism-and-how-to-spot-it

debatepolitics.com

It's not an n+1 system and it's not just conservatives. Let me ask this. Do you believe in freedom of speech, where every opinion has a right to be heard even though you may disagree with that opinion?

[/QUOTE]

What exactly does that have to do with being a racist?

 

[watsup]

Someone isn't nessicarily a racist, just because some social justice warrior on an internet forum board says so.

Someone isn’t necessarily not a racist just because he or she claims not to be on an Internet forum board.

 

[Atreus21]

you don't have to act accordingly, thinking in those terms is sufficient.

I agree somewhat, but I draw a stark distinction between thinking and acting.

 

[Underestimated]

What exactly does that have to do with being a racist?
[/QUOTE]
Is that a yes or a no?

 

[watsup]

What exactly does that have to do with being a racist?

Is that a yes or a no?
[/QUOTE]

That's a no reason to answer irrelevant questions that have nothing to do directly with the topic.

 

[SoCal]

Understanding racism and how to spot it

The first step in stopping racism is understanding what it actually is. But that's not always easy. If you're not sure what racism is and what it looks like, that's okay. We've put together this handy guide to help you. https://au.reachout.com/articles/what-is-racism-and-how-to-spot-it

debatepolitics.com

White moderates are not buying the conservative 'understanding' of racism anymore, or as some conservatives believe, that they're the victims of systemic racism. The table below is the last five entries from a Gallop poll, of the percentages of how national American adults believe blacks are treated in America, by the year.
The 5 columns on the right show the percentage who are; Very Satisfied, Somewhat Satisfied, Somewhat Dissatisfied, Very Dissatisfied, or No Opinion.
As you can see the trend is clear, Americans are increasing dissatisfied with the way blacks are being treated. As Americans start seeing blacks being treated fairly, conservatives will start gnashing their teeth under ever increasing pressure.

2020 Jun 8-Jul 24​	11	24	19	46	*
2018 Nov 19-Dec 22​	18	26	24	30	2
2016 Jun 7-Jul 1​	16	35	27	20	1
2015 Jun 15-Jul 10​	17	32	27	23	1
2013 Jun 13-Jul 5​	19	43	24	12	2

...It's not an n+1 system and it's not just conservatives. Let me ask this. Do you believe in freedom of speech, where every opinion has a right to be heard even though you may disagree with that opinion?

[/QUOTE]

It will be ok, no need to worry about reverse discrimination.
I won't get into a long discussion here about free speech as I don't want to change the subject of SNOWFLAKE's thread (start a new one), but yes, other than the classic yelling fire in the theatre, making threats or government propaganda. And I have no problem with Twitter banning Don if that's what you're getting at...

 

[Underestimated]

Is that a yes or a no?

That's a no reason to answer irrelevant questions that have nothing to do directly with the topic.
[/QUOTE]
So you can't or are unwilling to publicly, on this forum, support or deny a basic right of freedom of speech, and yet you want me to have an adult conversation / debate with you on racism? That won't be happening.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Is that a yes or a no?

That's a no reason to answer irrelevant questions that have nothing to do directly with the topic.
[/QUOTE]
you underestimate underestimated, I asked once of him a question that just required a straight yes or no answer and for days he came up with every excuse under the sun, every deflection and whataboutism he could think of, to avoid answering.
yes or no questions are extremely difficult for a certain demographic because they know that an answer will put them into a box, but I would challenge any of them to ask me a simple yes or no question, and I would answer yes or no.
Granted, I might qualify my answer as to explain it, but I would still be answering yes or no.

I have already given up on that lot, because NOT answering IS answering, just they aren't quite bright enough to realize they HAVE answered.

 

[watsup]

That's a no reason to answer irrelevant questions that have nothing to do directly with the topic.

So you can't or are unwilling to publicly, on this forum, support or deny a basic right of freedom of speech, and yet you want me to have an adult conversation / debate with you on racism? That won't be happening.
[/QUOTE]

Deflection and diversion on your part by inserting an irrelevant question. Why are you so afraid of having a serious and thoughtful conversation about racism? What are you hiding?

 

[Underestimated]

White moderates are not buying the conservative 'understanding' of racism anymore, or as some conservatives believe, that they're the victims of systemic racism. The table below is the last five entries from a Gallop poll, of the percentages of how national American adults believe blacks are treated in America, by the year.

The understanding of racism moderates and liberals don't buy are coming from the fringe left, not conservatives. The Gallup poll you cite is based on public opinion, which is anecdotal and reflects not only actual acts and occurrences within society, but the media coverage and it's effect on public opinion which as been over the past four years, very drawn to african american men cited as being shot. Yet whites are shot by police 2x more in 2020 and black on black crime occurs at a 70.3% rate, highest of all ethnicities. The point being, actual data of what is actually going on is greater than how people feel. One may argue that if the data isn't being shared (omitted or obfuscated), then how people feel moves the needle and not facts.

It will be ok, no need to worry about reverse discrimination.
I won't get into a long discussion here about free speech as I don't want to change the subject of SNOWFLAKE's thread (start a new one), but yes, other than the classic yelling fire in the theatre, making threats or government propaganda. And I have no problem with Twitter banning Don if that's what you're getting at...

It's not reverse discrimination, it's outright racism under the new label of "equity". That such a thing is accepted regardless of what justifications are used is possibly illegal (eg., Civil Rights Act) but it further divides and creates extremism by creating an "other" group which is excluded due to the skin color they were born with. We know what happens with the "other" group which was what the civil rights groups fought for after emancipation. To further segregate by using preferential acceptance using skin color as the reason overturns any sense of equality (not equity) based on character. In fact, it destroys it as CRT is based on the destruction of culture to supplant it's own rules and society. Who gets to create that new society? Why the CRT advocates of course.

 

[watsup]

The understanding of racism moderates and liberals don't buy are coming from the fringe left, not conservatives. The Gallup poll you cite is based on public opinion, which is anecdotal and reflects not only actual acts and occurrences within society, but the media coverage and it's effect on public opinion which as been over the past four years, very drawn to african american men cited as being shot. Yet whites are shot by police 2x more in 2020 and black on black crime occurs at a 70.3% rate, highest of all ethnicities. The point being, actual data of what is actually going on is greater than how people feel. One may argue that if the data isn't being shared (omitted or obfuscated), then how people feel moves the needle and not facts.


The truth is that hardly anyone in general society has even heard of CRT or has the slightest clue as to want it is, but that does not keep them from seeing and understanding racism in society, to include systemic racism. That is why literally millions of people from all walks of life participated in BLM marches this past summer.

It's not reverse discrimination, it's outright racism under the new label of "equity". That such a thing is accepted regardless of what justifications are used is possibly illegal (eg., Civil Rights Act) but it further divides and creates extremism by creating an "other" group which is excluded due to the skin color they were born with. We know what happens with the "other" group which was what the civil rights groups fought for after emancipation. To further segregate by using preferential acceptance using skin color as the reason overturns any sense of equality (not equity) based on character. In fact, it destroys it as CRT is based on the destruction of culture to supplant it's own rules and society. Who gets to create that new society? Why the CRT advocates of course.

 

[tecoyah]

In todays climate if you do not join a protest you are supporting Racism and to be protested AGAINST for not joining the crowd. Here in Louisville the Queen Breonna crowd almost destroyed the city, ruined the downtown to the point it is still trying to recover and scare anyone trying to just live life. Yet if you complain about it you are flagged as the problem which makes me want to join the problem to avoid the solution. As with all things it can be taken too far.

 

[SoCal]

The understanding of racism moderates and liberals don't buy are coming from the fringe left, not conservatives. The Gallup poll you cite is based on public opinion, which is anecdotal and reflects not only actual acts and occurrences within society, but the media coverage and it's effect on public opinion which as been over the past four years, very drawn to african american men cited as being shot. Yet whites are shot by police 2x more in 2020 and black on black crime occurs at a 70.3% rate, highest of all ethnicities. The point being, actual data of what is actually going on is greater than how people feel. One may argue that if the data isn't being shared (omitted or obfuscated), then how people feel moves the needle and not facts...

The data I posted is how ALL (all minorities and all whites of all political persuasions) Americans feel about how badly blacks are being treated in America. You can cite all the data you want, but you and other hardcore conservatives are the outliers as the polling shows. You can repeat the conservative mantra that our media is, "the enemy of the people” but the majority of Americans aren't buying it. But you're right about how people feel moving the needle and not facts, look at the recent hullabaloo over the election for a great example. The fact that Trump lost had no effect on Trumpists who felt Trump won in a landslide even after repeated recounting and 50 court cases being thrown out.

...It's not reverse discrimination, it's outright racism under the new label of "equity". That such a thing is accepted regardless of what justifications are used is possibly illegal (eg., Civil Rights Act) but it further divides and creates extremism by creating an "other" group which is excluded due to the skin color they were born with. We know what happens with the "other" group which was what the civil rights groups fought for after emancipation. To further segregate by using preferential acceptance using skin color as the reason overturns any sense of equality (not equity) based on character. In fact, it destroys it as CRT is based on the destruction of culture to supplant it's own rules and society. Who gets to create that new society? Why the CRT advocates of course.

As Americans increasingly believe blacks are being mistreated, new policies to address the problem will be enacted and supported. Corporations, sports teams and other organizations that don't want to be associated with racist and discriminatory policies (voting rights for example) will be a big part of this. I believe the conservative outrage about this shift in society is a direct result of their fear of becoming the minority in America...[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Underestimated]

The data I posted is how ALL (all minorities and all whites of all political persuasions) Americans feel about how badly blacks are being treated in America.

The information you posted was how those who were POLLED feel. Again, it's "feeling" not scientific data.

You can cite all the data you want, but you and other hardcore conservatives are the outliers as the polling shows.

I'm not a conservative. Second, yes I will continue to post actual data including scientific data as "feelings" are good anecdotal information but doesn't work for people who have a higher standard of truth. The "trumpist" accusations then followed. Shocked I am. Shocked. Read my signature.

As Americans increasingly believe blacks are being mistreated, new policies to address the problem will be enacted and supported. Corporations, sports teams and other organizations that don't want to be associated with racist and discriminatory policies (voting rights for example) will be a big part of this. I believe the conservative outrage about this shift in society is a direct result of their fear of becoming the minority in America...

O I'll edit your above statement to some sort of reality:

"As American's increasingly are misled by the media to believe blacks are being hunted by cops, authoritarians policies to oppress the population will be enacted by the classists and bourgeoise. Corporations, sports teams and other organizations who are coerced and told they are racist will follow the classist tyranny as it preserves revenue. "

The outrage is coming from people who are intelligent enough to know when they are being bamboozled. I'm sorry you yet do not either understand that or realize it. You're tribal posts and false accusations about what I am speak volumes. Fact deniers as well as science deniers ignore reality and create a new one that fits their tribal view. You've proven that very well.

 

[SoCal]

The information you posted was how those who were POLLED feel. Again, it's "feeling" not scientific data...

I'm not a conservative...

Yes polling shows how Americans 'feel'. It's not as if policy is based on how Americans, 'felt' about December 7th 1941, putting the first man on the moon, or other great disasters and achievements . Call yourself anything you want, but like conservatives who consider themselves Libertarians, if it quacks like a duck.

Your last part is more of; conservatives are more intelligent than liberals, the media and corporations and making it personal. Find someone else...

 

[Manc Skipper]

BloJo set up a commission to discover if Britain was institutionally racist. The leader was a man who does not believe it exists and he chose the other members. After many months of expensive deliberations they have discovered that Britain is not institutionally racist! (so non-whites can ignore their lived experience.)

(A post war conservative PM once told the British electorate they "Had never had it so good!") He lied too!