Underage Abortions

[jmotivator]

A quick question for the pro-choice folks here that support the Plan-B policy and giving underage girls the right to an abortion without consulting their parents:

Do you also support eliminating the age of consent? If not, why not?

 

[Un biased]

A quick question for the pro-choice folks here that support the Plan-B policy and giving underage girls the right to an abortion without consulting their parents:

Do you also support eliminating the age of consent? If not, why not?

Age of consent should not be messed with to much so sorry I don't want a 60 year old going for a 15 year old .

 

[jmotivator]

Age of consent should not be messed with to much so sorry I don't want a 60 year old going for a 15 year old .

But does that 15 year old have sovereignty over her body? If not, why?

 

[AGENT J]

A quick question for the pro-choice folks here that support the Plan-B policy and giving underage girls the right to an abortion without consulting their parents:

Do you also support eliminating the age of consent? If not, why not?

the right to an abortion without consulting their parents?
again I admit im not familiar with this new law but how does it give them that "right"
and didnt the age used to be 17?

 

[jmotivator]

the right to an abortion without consulting their parents?
again I admit im not familiar with this new law but how does it give them that "right"
and didnt the age used to be 17?

Many states do not require parental consent for an abortion. Many pro-choice organizations (including the one in my link there) think this is A-OK.

So the question is, if the child is allowed to decide to have an abortion on her own then why stop there? If she can decide to take medication and have abortions on her own then what reason is there for an age of consent?

 

[AGENT J]

Many states do not require parental consent for an abortion. Many pro-choice organizations (including the one in my link there) think this is A-OK.

So the question is, if the child is allowed to decide to have an abortion on her own then why stop there? If she can decide to take medication and have abortions on her own then what reason is there for an age of consent?

your link is blocked so i cant look at it.
and im really not interested in any orgs at this time i want to focus on your OP. I need info on what you are talking about.

my question was about your op, how did the government give rights to the 15 year and wasnt the limit 17 before?
also define "abortions" are you talking pills or actual medical procedure abortions?
what stats and what are the ages?

answering your question is near impossible without knowing what you are talking about.

some people call some pill abortions or do you mean medical abortions?

 

[joko104]

How many men are going to start threads that are basically their arguing for a right to have sex with children?

 

[MaggieD]

A quick question for the pro-choice folks here that support the Plan-B policy and giving underage girls the right to an abortion without consulting their parents:

Do you also support eliminating the age of consent? If not, why not?

What is all this posting lately about Age of Consent??

I think Age of Consent laws are just fine from strictly an age standpoint. I'm not happy with some of these younger people (in certain situations) getting branded sex offenders and having their names listed on the national database, however.

Some of them, Colorado comes to mind, don't go far enough, in my opinion.

 

[AGENT J]

What is all this posting lately about Age of Consent??

I think Age of Consent laws are just fine from strictly an age standpoint. I'm not happy with some of these younger people (in certain situations) getting branded sex offenders and having their names listed on the national database, however.

Some of them, Colorado comes to mind, don't go far enough, in my opinion.

yeah im right thier with you mags, there are some grey areas that need looked at but in general the foundation of them is solid and good.

two 16yr olds sharing pictures should be labeled as trafficking child porn and they shouldnt have to be registered sex offenders for the rest of their lives

the same a 19 yr old with a 17yr old girlfriend should have to be a sex offender and rapist for the rest for thier life either.

but in general the foundation is solid it just needs some tweaking.

 

[Ontologuy]

So the question is, if the child is allowed to decide to have an abortion on her own then why stop there? If she can decide to take medication and have abortions on her own then what reason is there for an age of consent?

Absolutely the correct question in this issue.

The very fact that Plan B is available OTC without questions for anyone of any age to purchase violates, in reality, parental authority with respect to age of consent regarding underage kids having abortions.

And why did such an infringement of parental authority rights occur?

Because of one of the many "technicality" falsehoods the pro-choice extremists have pushed onto the pharmaceutical legislators over the years: "if it isn't surgery, it isn't 'abortion'".

The reality is that abortion can be both surgical and chemical, that abortion is the process of aborting the life of the newly conceived human, obviously.

But pro-choice extremists have infiltrated legislatures with their false-statement influence, repeating over and over their ideological mantras that "abortion is the termination of a 'pregnancy'" (meaning only "after" the newly conceived human has implanted in the womb) and that "abortion is 'only' about the 'surgical' termination of a 'pregnancy'", both blatantly false statements.

This is the problem when an extremist ideological minority group gains money/power media influence: they can utilize the marketing/advertising opportunistic media and cause the truth to be subverted, twisted, until after being bombarded with it long enough, people .. including legislators .. actually believe the lies, and the truth is no longer experienced and respected.

The result here, is that the age of consent has been thwarted, and rightful parental authority in the matter has been egregiously infringed when Plan B became OTC.

This is as wrong as wrong can be, wrong with respect to the truth, and wrong with respect to parental authority rights.

But that's what happens when we don't take preventative action the moment extremist ideologues start their brainwashing process with their mantra chanting: wrong things eventually happen, and rights get trampled.

This situation, whereby kids can now go to the drugstore and buy the Plan B abortion-causing drug without any questions and rightful parental consent is just one example lately of how brainwashing the public with ideological extremist lies can eventually lead to many in the mainstream suffering.

This egregious situation is as wrong as wrong can be!

 

[Perotista]

A quick question for the pro-choice folks here that support the Plan-B policy and giving underage girls the right to an abortion without consulting their parents:

Do you also support eliminating the age of consent? If not, why not?

I believe a woman can do what ever she want with her body and that includes abortion. Now I said woman, this does not include children. No child should be able to have an abortion without the consent of their parents and for me, a child is anyone under the age of 18 or still living with their parents regardless of age.

Now any man having sex with a child, a girl under 18 should be castrated and hung out to dry. That is unless both are still in High School such as a 19 year old guy and a 17 year old girl. But any man 20 or older having sex with a girl under 18, castration should be mandatory. I have no sympathy what so ever for grown men having sex with young children.

 

[joko104]

Absolutely the correct question in this issue.

The very fact that Plan B is available OTC without questions for anyone of any age to purchase violates, in reality, parental authority with respect to age of consent regarding underage kids having abortions.

And why did such an infringement of parental authority rights occur?

Because of one of the many "technicality" falsehoods the pro-choice extremists have pushed onto the pharmaceutical legislators over the years: "if it isn't surgery, it isn't 'abortion'".

The reality is that abortion can be both surgical and chemical, that abortion is the process of aborting the life of the newly conceived human, obviously.

But pro-choice extremists have infiltrated legislatures with their false-statement influence, repeating over and over their ideological mantras that "abortion is the termination of a 'pregnancy'" (meaning only "after" the newly conceived human has implanted in the womb) and that "abortion is 'only' about the 'surgical' termination of a 'pregnancy'", both blatantly false statements.

This is the problem when an extremist ideological minority group gains money/power media influence: they can utilize the marketing/advertising opportunistic media and cause the truth to be subverted, twisted, until after being bombarded with it long enough, people .. including legislators .. actually believe the lies, and the truth is no longer experienced and respected.

The result here, is that the age of consent has been thwarted, and rightful parental authority in the matter has been egregiously infringed when Plan B became OTC.

This is as wrong as wrong can be, wrong with respect to the truth, and wrong with respect to parental authority rights.

But that's what happens when we don't take preventative action the moment extremist ideologues start their brainwashing process with their mantra chanting: wrong things eventually happen, and rights get trampled.

This situation, whereby kids can now go to the drugstore and buy the Plan B abortion-causing drug without any questions and rightful parental consent is just one example lately of how brainwashing the public with ideological extremist lies can eventually lead to many in the mainstream suffering.

This egregious situation is as wrong as wrong can be!

OK, we have a pro-lifer on record opposing the Morning After Pill because it is "an abortion." So we now have a pro-lifer demanding raped girls have their rapist's baby as an absolute.

As usual, your statement is just wrong. The law allowing something sold to minor aged teens does not mean the parents must allow it. Obviously you don't agree, but most parents - at least all good ones - do not allow their children to do anything and everything that isn't prohibited by law.

 

[joko104]

I believe a woman can do what ever she want with her body and that includes abortion. Now I said woman, this does not include children. No child should be able to have an abortion without the consent of their parents and for me, a child is anyone under the age of 18 or still living with their parents regardless of age.

Now any man having sex with a child, a girl under 18 should be castrated and hung out to dry. That is unless both are still in High School such as a 19 year old guy and a 17 year old girl. But any man 20 or older having sex with a girl under 18, castration should be mandatory. I have no sympathy what so ever for grown men having sex with young children.

I disagree that a child can be forced to have a baby if her parents require her to. In the past I've posted how it is not rare for us to have to deal with parents trying, their teenage daughter then sheltering with us while she decides, just a other's do in relation to parents/relatives/BF demanding that she doesn't abort. But won't elaborate.

However, I would probably agree the parents do have a right to know about it - nor does that mean the parents have to approve of it. But I don't think they can block it - and here's why...

That child having a baby is going to extend PAST when she turns 18. At that time, the parent's control ends. However, if forced to have the baby - and I do NOT allow bio-parents to throw/give their babies away - that then would equate to the parents overwhelming controlling her life into her 20s, 30s and basically the rest of her life for the baby the parents forced her to have - and then by my standards of obligation - raise.

I don't think parents could force a child to have a tattoo either, because that extends past childhood.

 

[Un biased]

But does that 15 year old have sovereignty over her body? If not, why?

Because they are still children , the answer is no . If its a large age gap there is a huge problem with that teen and the person in question .

 

[MaggieD]

This situation, whereby kids can now go to the drugstore and buy the Plan B abortion-causing drug without any questions and rightful parental consent is just one example lately of how brainwashing the public with ideological extremist lies can eventually lead to many in the mainstream suffering. This egregious situation is as wrong as wrong can be!

I'm "almost" okay with it. A 15-year-old should certainly NOT become a mother. If anyone's going to have unprotected sex without thinking it through, it's probably a 15-year-old. (Although we all know that isn't quite true, I think you get what I mean.)

Plan B does not usually abort, by the way. It mainly works in one of two ways: to delay ovulation or interfere with fertilization of the egg. It's possible that it may also interfere with implantation of a fertilized egg, but mainly it works in the first two ways.

By age 15, good parents have had several versions of "the talk" with their kids. If they haven't? Shame on them! In spite of all the talks in the world, kids are gunna' do what kids are gunna' do. Give them the tools to not ruin their lives. Let them be easily accessible.

At that age, in that circumstance, t's all about what's in their best interest for the rest of their lives. Not about parental control.

 

[jmotivator]

What is all this posting lately about Age of Consent??

I think Age of Consent laws are just fine from strictly an age standpoint. I'm not happy with some of these younger people (in certain situations) getting branded sex offenders and having their names listed on the national database, however.

Some of them, Colorado comes to mind, don't go far enough, in my opinion.

In this case I am arguing the contrast of the pro-choice view on underage abortion and self medication versus the laws on age of consent. It seems odd to argue that a child has sufficient faculties to decide to take medication and have an abortion on her own but doesn't have sufficient facilities to choose when to have sex. I obviously don't think the child has sufficient faculties to decide any of that for themselves, but I am interested in how the pro-choice folks differentiate.

 

[jmotivator]

How many men are going to start threads that are basically their arguing for a right to have sex with children?

I'm not arguing for any such right. I am seeking a clarification on the pro-choice view where the societies rationale for an age of consent (which I agree with) seems at direct odds with the pro-choice stance on underage abortion.

 

[MaggieD]

In this case I am arguing the contrast of the pro-choice view on underage abortion and self medication versus the laws on age of consent. It seems odd to argue that a child has sufficient faculties to decide to take medication and have an abortion on her own but doesn't have sufficient facilities to choose when to have sex. I obviously don't think the child has sufficient faculties to decide any of that for themselves, but I am interested in how the pro-choice folks differentiate.

I don't understand why you tie the two of them together. Why not tie it with drinking alcohol? Driving? Getting married? Smoking dope? Taking heroin? They're all different, in my opinion.

 

[jmotivator]

Because they are still children , the answer is no . If its a large age gap there is a huge problem with that teen and the person in question .

But the FDA has already ruled they can purchase medication on their own and take it without even consulting a doctor. Seems the argument of "they are still children" has been invalidated.

 

[Dragonfly]

What's your point exactly?

Abstinence does NOT work.

Nobody is saying 14 and 15 years old kids SHOULD be having sex.
Everybody knows they should not be having unprotected sex.

Trouble is - they do.

So rather than digging a deep hole and burying our heads in it, we'd prefer a child prevent a pregnancy rather than get an abortion or have an unwanted, unplanned child.


Plan B is NOT an abortion.

So I don't care if you want to call it hypocrisy or not.

Age of consent laws are fine as they stand.
Plan B being an over-the-counter drug is fine.

I don't see it as a double standard at all. I see it as sensible and necessary based on the actual world and times we live in.

 

[Ontologuy]

OK, we

By "we", you clearly mean you extremist pro-choicers. :roll:

have a pro-lifer

False.

I'm neither pro-choice or pro-life.

I'm a centrist on the abortion issue spectrum.

Obviously.

But you extremist pro-choicers, in your polemic dualistic mindset, see only your extremist selves on the left and the other extreme on the right, and are myopically unable to differentiate between those in the center and those at the far right.

This is the "us or them" mindset of extremists once again evident in the pro-choice ideologue's mindset.

on record opposing the Morning After Pill because it is "an abortion."

False, obviously.

Typical jump-to-conclusion extremist pro-choicers make even in the face of the obvious facts.

I clearly stated this was about violating age of consent and usurping rightful parent authority.

Nothing more.

But extremist pro-choicers constantly blow things out of proportion with their falsehoods.

Typical.

So we now have a pro-lifer demanding raped girls have their rapist's baby as an absolute.

And then the extremist pro-choicer goes so extremely far afield in conspiracy theory fashion that such a digression can only be a purposeful attempt to divert attention away from the fact that Plan B OTC and available for anyone of any age to purchase is a violation of rightful parental authority and the age of consent.

That is the matter the extremist pro-choicers don't want you to think about, not even for a second.

So they quickly twist the matter into something it's not, blow it all out of proportion, hoping the reader will be fooled into focusing on some great conspiracy theorist "meaning".

Sad.

As usual, your statement is just wrong.

Absolutely false.

As ususual you are just projecting, and obviously and laughably so. :lol:

The law allowing something sold to minor aged teens does not mean the parents must allow it.

How laughably ludicrous. :lol:

The next thing you know you'll be saying that same "logic" applies to alcohol .. or cigarettes ...

The truth of the matter is is that if there is no law that says a minor is not allowed to purchase a product, then the minor can purchase the product legally and without parental consent, obviously.

There are products that one must be 18/21 to purchase .. and if a parent in the privacy of his/her own home wants to give their kid a taste of wine or a puff on a cigarette to make them cough and warn against it, then they can "allow it".

But to have no law preventing minors from buying an abortion-causing product is a direct violation of parental consent in the matter, obviously.

Your subterfuge obfuscation here is blatantly obvious.

Obviously you don't agree,

I don't agree with your brainwashing ludicrous false statement, obviously.

but most parents - at least all good ones - do not allow their children to do anything and everything that isn't prohibited by law.

Again, more subterfuge and meaningless obfuscation from an extremist pro-choicer.

The facts remain that allowing minors to purchase abortion-causing drugs OTC without any questions is the same as allowing minors to purchase alcohol and cigarettes without any questions as it is a violation of parental authority and the age of consent.

Clearly, this is the truth.

But extremist pro-choicers don't want you to know the truth.

So they derail, and obfuscate and employ subterfuge .. all in the attempt to divert attention away from the foundational fact on topic .. because it exposes the extremist pro-choice agenda, this one to subvert parental authority and the age of consent, in the name of their precious and twisted extremist pro-abortion agenda.

 

[AGENT J]

But the FDA has already ruled they can purchase medication on their own and take it without even consulting a doctor. Seems the argument of "they are still children" has been invalidated.

so what about everything else someone under 18 can do?

Seems you are making up a false premise to me.

Does it not matter to you that minors can make millions of other decisions but THIS one bothers you?

 

[Un biased]

But the FDA has already ruled they can purchase medication on their own and take it without even consulting a doctor. Seems the argument of "they are still children" has been invalidated.

I said something about large age gap did I not . This is how I see it stupid and stupider have intercourse . Stupid forgott the birth control tells her parents they get mad and maybe or mabe not ( depends on belifs ) gives the girl the plan b ( or not ) the girl will probbaly get grounded or punished the girl next time if she does the same thing she will less likely tell her parents now and she has no means of getting of getting rid of a clump of cells that would make a Zygote ( or not it is taken the day after ) so she may ( or not ) become a teenage mother and guess what pregnancy will make her leagly a adult

 

[Dragonfly]

But the FDA has already ruled they can purchase medication on their own and take it without even consulting a doctor. Seems the argument of "they are still children" has been invalidated.

If they're taking plan B then they have already engaged in unprotected sex.

That's more than likely far more dangerous than taking plan B.

 

[AGENT J]

. The law allowing something sold to minor aged teens does not mean the parents must allow it.

nothing more than this needs said really, but some people will simply not recognize this basic common sense and dismiss it. They cant acknowledge this fact because it makes many of the made arguments quickly fall apart.