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skabanger13 said:all i have to say is amen. thats how it is, and for all the weekend wariors out ther if your recuriter told you you wouldent be called up, are your chances wher slim. well thay lied to you good and if you wher stuped enuff to belive them you need to give that collage money back to some one whith the intellagenc to use it. :monkey
You're spot on there, Hoot. This isn't a "back door draft" as this is what the people signed up for to begin with. It is a rarity, but it does happen. Calling it a backdoor draft puts an unfortunate :spin: on it and takes away from the argument.Hoot said:I believe this is what's happening to our National Guardsmen?
You may have a young family and think..."Hmmmm...one weekend a month and two weeks a year, and I can get money for college, medical for my young family, and it will look great on future resumes. What a deal!"
Suddenly...your country calls you into active duty and sends you off to Iraq. You feel cheated and lied too...well...Doh!
You should've read the contract before signing and raising your right hand and taking that oath and swearing to obey the Commander in Chief.
I believe the "back door draft" is merely the military utilizing the portion of the "inactive reserve" clause.
anomaly said:We are runnig thin on our reserves, though. If Bush decides to invade another country, we may just run out. You must atleast acknowledge that there is a possibility of a draft returning.
skabanger13 said:exactly their will not be a draft, nor do we want people their that are forced into it. Especially since it will hurt our bonuses, I don't want some one who would rather be at home watching my back I would rather have my brothers and sisters that decided that thats what thay wanted to do it would make me feal allot safer. Besides where the only country that has a 100% volunteer military and where not going to give that up, we like rubbing the fact that all our solders are their because thay want to be in other countryes faces.
Also any one that thanks the national guard and reserves going to Iraq is a back door draft, is sadly mistaken. I'm active duty and I know that national guard and reserves deploy more than us, the way the army sees it thay gave them all that money for collage and thay pay them every month their going to get their money back by deploying them. With us we work for them every day we have a job to do we earn our keep thay get their money worth.
Batman said:The Draft is not the way to get the military you want. You don't want people in who do not have their heart in it. I do not see it returning.
skabanger13 said:Recruiting is ruining steady, I was just at meps the other day we have plenty people signing up. Most of them are joining Army and their where quite a few joining the marins to which are the branch's that need the most because we are the ones that are taking the most loses.
Pacridge said:I hate to disagree with you but according to several high ranking military officials recruiting is suffering at all time lows. According to a report in The Dallas Morning News, Published Wednesday, December 15, 2004 Army Reserve recruiting is in a "precipitous decline" that could provoke new debate over a draft if not slowed, the Reserve´s top general said Monday. Lt. Gen. Ron Helmly - who said he opposes reinstituting a draft - blamed the bureaucracy for dragging its feet implementing new bonuses for recruits and re-enlistments that Congress included in this year´s defense bill. "The bureaucracy is much too sluggish, much too unresponsive," Helmly said. "Congress was very energetic and concerned about Reserve component as well as active component recruiting, retention and strength, and was therefore very supportive of these measures," he said of the bonuses and other new authorities. "Now we need to get on and execute those."
And for the first time in 10 years the Marine Corps fell short in their recruiting efforts. This coupled with declining numbers of reenlistments lead to increased bonus over the past several months. But according to both the Army and the Marine Corps Reenlistments continue to be at all time record lows. So while the Meps Depot may have new enlistees, according to the Officers counting heads, there's not enough heads.
This continues to worry many now that we're faced with increased pressures from places such as North Korea and Iran. What do we do if we need to spread thing out even further?
This all could be good news to you- More bonus money in your pocket, which I'm all for. Personally I don't think we're paying you and you're anything close to what we owe you. I mean if a guy driving truck for Haliburton's making 100,000 a year in Afghanistan. Shouldn't we at least be paying the guy's providing him protection half that?
anomaly said:I am especially worried about this, since in a year's time I am eligible for the draft, and let me tell you, I have no interest in joining any branch of the military.
anomaly said:I am especially worried about this, since in a year's time I am eligible for the draft, and let me tell you, I have no interest in joining any branch of the military.
pacridge said:How are you eligible for a draft that doesn't exist?
anomaly said:I'm obviously saying that if a draft does reappear, I would be eligible in about a year. And Batman, the idea of 'patriotism' wears thin on me. Why should I show admiration toward a country that shows me (and billions throughout the world) none? Why should I love a country with which I constantly disagree? As a wise man once put it "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel". I believe America was created for the right reasons, some 200 years ago, but I cannot love it now, since today 'patriotism' means loving and agreeing with one's gov't.
skabanger13 said:Well their where about 100 people at meps with me all signing contracts, it surprised me me how many where prior service like my self. .
Batman said:It's your prerogative not to. Which is a GREAT thing about the country in which you live.
anomaly said:Hey, thanks for not responding like an *** like skabanger did. But skabanger, I would like that money.
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