Were these people tortured after being found guilty by courts or before?Torture is a crime. If you already knew a person had committed it--i.e. was a "torturer"--what need would there be to prosecute him? No one has shown probable cause to believe that even one American ever engaged in torture. Dianne Feinstein's voluminous collection of fish wrap proves not one damn thing, except that she and people like her place their personal interests above their country's.
The sad fact is that far too much space is now being taken up in this once-great country by millions of half-educated people who resent it and are glad to carry water for its jihadist enemies. They serve as a fifth column for the likes of the vermin who just murdered a dozen innocent people in Paris and then shouted "Allahu akbar!" in the streets. Here's hoping the French authorities catch those bastards, force them to give up any confederates using whatever means necessary, and then try them for murder. Too bad they don't still have the guillotine.
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.
It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.
Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.
"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.
Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."
He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.
UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News
The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
Were these people tortured after being found guilty by courts or before?
For someone who says once great nation how could you advocate for limiting the rights of everybody.
How could you justify torture for information before people were found guilty
I don't accept that the U.S. ever tortured anyone as a matter of policy. If there is good reason to believe any individual violated any U.S. laws regarding torture by acting without authority, then let the relevant federal authorities charge that person with a crime.
As a lawyer, I know very well that the Constitution is the highest law in this country, and I have the greatest respect for it. I have never called for limiting the constitutional rights of anyone.
As I said, I don't accept that the U.S. ever tortured anyone as a matter of policy. Torture is a crime under section 2340 of the U.S. Code and other federal laws, and I do not justify crimes.
Who was this who supposedly had a right to a trial but was denied that right? Aliens captured abroad and designated by the President as unlawful enemy combatants have no right to a trial in a U.S. court. They have a right to trial by a military commission, in which there is no jury, but last I heard none of them had been tried. The U.S. is detaining them as long as hostilities continue, as it has the right to do.
These people are not even entitled to the protections the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war provide lawful, uniformed combatants who are taken prisoners of war. Even so, the U.S. chose to extend these war criminals the same rights P.O.W.'s enjoy as to food, shelter, Red Cross inspections, medical care, etc.
You might to read Ex Parte Quirin, a 1942 Supreme Court decision dealing with six Nazi saboteurs who were landed here by U-boat but soon captured. It is still good law, and it goes into these subjects at length. For example, it contains a detailed discussion of the difference between lawful combatants--i.e. ordinary uniformed soldiers--and unlawful combatants like spies and saboteurs--and Islamist terrorists.
It might interest someone here to know just how lenient the U.S. has been with these bastards, compared to other times. One of the six Nazi saboteurs captured, Herbert Haupt, was an American citizen. Since he was charged by the federal government with capital crimes, surely he had the Fifth Amendment right you and I have to be indicted by a grand jury, right? And as a citizen, surely he had the right to a trial by a jury of his peers, right?
No to both. Once an American citizen sides with the enemy and commits war crimes against this country, said the Court, his citizenship does not help him. The six, despite the help of some of the best criminal defense lawyers in the U.S., were convicted of a number of war crimes by a military commission and sentenced to death. The Court only got the case by agreeing--against President Roosevelt's wishes--to hear the appeal of the men's habeas petition, which a lower federal court had denied. It denied it, too.
Only about two months after the six had landed here by U-boat, they reached the end of the line. In a building in New York City one summer day, one by one, on the hour, the six were executed in the electric chair, which had been brought there for that purpose. And U.S. citizen Haupt, without ever having seen the inside of a regular U.S. court, or having had a jury trial, went to his death just the same. And a couple family members in Florida who had briefly fed and sheltered him were charged with treason, convicted, and sent to prison for a long stretch.
It was not all that many years ago that most Americans had the courage of their convictions and were willing to act firmly and decisively against this country's enemies, instead of wringing their hands gazing at their navels, and holding out the crying towel for them.
:dohI guess if they bled the prisoners that's cool too, because that was a common 18th century medical practice too..,.
:dohDo you think if you break a leg in prison then the prison guards hold you down and amputate you, would that be torture or a standard medical procedure
Is this seriously how you debate?:doh
Your comment is as irrelevant as it is invalid, and just shows your position is nothing but an emotional one.
:doh
Irrelevant childlike emotive argument noted again.
The problem here is all yours.Is this seriously how you debate?
I think you'd be a prefect expert for Fox news or CNN considering your debate tactics is to say anYthing that you can't explain as irrelevantThe problem here is all yours.
You made false claims, haven't been able to focus and then make irrelevant arguments.
Example: Your previous post of an irrelevant absurdity that has nothing to do with what occurred. :doh
Yep, the problem here is all yours.
I think you'd be a prefect expert for Fox news or CNN considering your debate tactics is to say anYthing that you can't explain as irrelevant
If you think it's irrelevant that's your problemThere you go speaking absurd nonsense again.
You should really learn to focus on the topic and not on the other person and other such irrelevancies.
Knowing that your absurd irrelevancies are irrelevant, is not a problem for me. D'oh!If you think it's irrelevant that's your problem
The fact that you find it funny is your problem:laughat:
Knowing that your absurd irrelevancies are irrelevant, is not a problem for me. D'oh!
But it obviously is for you. iLOL :lamo
:lamo Figures.The fact that you find it funny is your problem
Again showing your child like mind
:doh
Your comment is as irrelevant as it is invalid, and just shows your position is nothing but an emotional one.
:doh
Irrelevant childlike emotive argument noted again.
Let me guess his responseI see we have entered deep into troll territory here.
:lamo Figures.
Another irrelevant childlike emotive failure to address the topic.
Again. Not a problem for me. But it is obviously one for you.
So do you have anything relevant to say in regards to the topic? Or are we done here?
"Doh doh doh if you have respectful ex convicts friends that's your problem not mine doh doh doh"You give a bad name to ex-convicts. I have 2 friends in that category, and they are much more respectful and mature than you come across here.
There you go displaying your inability to focus on the topic, showing all that you have no valid argument.You give a bad name to ex-convicts. I have 2 friends in that category, and they are much more respectful and mature than you come across here.:lamo Figures.
Another irrelevant childlike emotive failure to address the topic.
Again. Not a problem for me. But it is obviously one for you.
So do you have anything relevant to say in regards to the topic? Or are we done here?
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.
It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.
Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.
"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.
Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."
He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.
UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News
The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
if the U.N. need a bounty hunter to find these losers...if they pay my expenses, I will do it for otherwise nothing.
There you go displaying your inability to focus on the topic, showing all that you have no valid argument.
There you go again displaying your inability to live in reality and focus on the topic, showing all that you have no valid argument in reference to the topic or of me.I couldn't help myself--I began feeling bad for all the ex-convicts out there who are actually nice people. I guess the prison experience effects each individual a little bit differently. My condolences.
There you go again displaying your inability to live in reality and focus on the topic, showing all that you have no valid argument in reference to the topic or of me.
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.
It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.
Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.
"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.
Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."
He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.
UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News
The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
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