UN Nuclear Watchdog Chief: ‘Night and Day’ Difference Between Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities Before and After US Strikes

[RetiredAtLast]

This was likely after the US ended the agreement.

It was dated 14 July 2015.

Again, the Iranians came to the table and agreed to a deal that the entire international community agreed they were complying with. Then the US (Trump 45) withdrew from the agreement, which is significant because Iran feared US military action more than anything. It was the threat of military action that compelled Iran to agree to a deal, believing this reduced the threat. When the US ended the deal, the Iranians could no longer pretend like that didn't happen. They want an insurance policy, whether through an agreement like JCPOA or their own weapons capabilities.

That sounds like the signed an agreement so the US wouldn't attack them. Then later, just to make sure that the US would attack them, they started/continued to develop a weapon. (Maybe I just don't understand Iranian thinking.)

You're ignoring the US's failure to abide by its part of the deal and Israel's blatant refusal to declare its own nuclear weapons program. Any 'deal' has to be respected by all sides, not just Iran.

Sounds like it wasn't respected by anyone.

Anyway, 2+ months ago, Iran was invited back to negotiations. At issue were "anyplace, any time" inspections. Iran apparently didn't even want to talk about that and Trump didn't want to talk about much else. I think the Iranians didn't believe that the US would take any preventive action, since we never had, but they turned out to be wrong. They've been invited to new talks, and we'll just have to wait and see if they go.

 

[multivita-man]

It was dated 14 July 2015.

Before the agreement took effect, then. Okay, and?

That sounds like the signed an agreement so the US wouldn't attack them. Then later, just to make sure that the US would attack them, they started/continued to develop a weapon. (Maybe I just don't understand Iranian thinking.)

No, that's not the case. Iran was complying.

Sounds like it wasn't respected by anyone.

Because Iran was complying and then MAGA ended US cooperation.

Anyway, 2+ months ago, Iran was invited back to negotiations. At issue were "anyplace, any time" inspections. Iran apparently didn't even want to talk about that and Trump didn't want to talk about much else. I think the Iranians didn't believe that the US would take any preventive action, since we never had, but they turned out to be wrong. They've been invited to new talks, and we'll just have to wait and see if they go.

Iran was invited by to 'negotiations' by the very administration that ended the first agreement. And then while Iran was basically agreeing to go back to that framework, they were attacked by Israel and then the United States.

I don't know what to tell you.

 

[snakestretcher]

Asked answered.

No you haven't.

 

[snakestretcher]

It was dated 14 July 2015.

That sounds like the signed an agreement so the US wouldn't attack them. Then later, just to make sure that the US would attack them, they started/continued to develop a weapon. (Maybe I just don't understand Iranian thinking.)

Sounds like it wasn't respected by anyone.

Anyway, 2+ months ago, Iran was invited back to negotiations. At issue were "anyplace, any time" inspections. Iran apparently didn't even want to talk about that and Trump didn't want to talk about much else. I think the Iranians didn't believe that the US would take any preventive action, since we never had, but they turned out to be wrong. They've been invited to new talks, and we'll just have to wait and see if they go.

Why would Iran want to 'negotiate' with a country which has already double-crossed them, more than once, and reneged on a deal which, according to the IAEA, they were in compliance with? I wouldn't trust Trump's 'word' any further than I can spit. 'Once bitten, twice shy'.

 

[AZRWinger]

Remember when righties threw a fit over a half-million-dollar missile used to shoot down the Chinese spy balloon?

Now our military-industrial complex just blew a ton more, and the righties are fine with this.

Remember when Democrats brayed about anyone questioning gifting hundreds of billions to the notoriously corrupt Ukrainian government accusing them of being a Russian agent?

Oh wait, we were told the Ukrainian aid money was mostly spent in the US manufacturing replacement weaponry stripped from US stockpiles. But that couldn't possibly be true for replacement ordinance used in Midnight Hammer, right?

 

[eohrnberger]

The issue is that hundreds of kilograms of highly enriched uranium, the kind that can very quickly be enriched to weapons grade, is unaccounted for.

The issue which I was raising was the damage report you are choosing to believe and promulgate.
That said, yes, the location of the highly enriched uranium is an issue, without question.

We know from satellite imagery that 16 trucks were transporting material from Fordow just before the attacks, because our foolish president tipped off Iran regarding the attacks.

Meh, this in the eye of the beholder, in that the president's position that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon is a position which has been held for a decade or more.

We also know that Trump, having pulled us out of JCOPA, put us in the dark regarding Iran’s development and capabilities for the past several years.

Whether or not the JCPOA was actually working, or only being claimed to have been working is debatable, as per multiple posts bringing this into question in both this thread and other threads:
#2,909, #2,838 and even from a left leaning poster citing The New Republic: #242, as well as other posts.

There are others who are posting, in blind faith apparently, that the JCPOA was the do all and end all of Iran's nuclear programs - it wasn't, and it never was.

The White House, in calling the report “Top Secret”, confirmed that the report was authentic.

Not sure that when the White House declares something as 'Top Secret' that this validates what was contained. It is an early assessment with 'low confidence', which likely some permanently entrenched, unelected and unaccountable DC bureaucrat seeking to damage to the administration, to cause controversy were none is needed nor justified, to further their own personal political agenda.

In short all that is the most despicable about entrenched, unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats.

 

[VySky]

No you haven't.

I can’t help those who struggle with reading comprehension and reasoning skills. Sorry

 

[snakestretcher]

I can’t help those who struggle with reading comprehension and reasoning skills. Sorry

That would be you then, posting ridiculous crap from credulous sources no normal person of average intelligence goes anywhere near, and claiming, with nothing more substantial than your opinion, that this site hosts supporters of a violent theocracy.

 

[ncguy]

The issue which I was raising was the damage report you are choosing to believe and promulgate.
That said, yes, the location of the highly enriched uranium is an issue, without question.


Meh, this in the eye of the beholder, in that the president's position that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon is a position which has been held for a decade or more.


Whether or not the JCPOA was actually working, or only being claimed to have been working is debatable, as per multiple posts bringing this into question in both this thread and other threads:
#2,909, #2,838 and even from a left leaning poster citing The New Republic: #242, as well as other posts.

There are others who are posting, in blind faith apparently, that the JCPOA was the do all and end all of Iran's nuclear programs - it wasn't, and it never was.


Not sure that when the White House declares something as 'Top Secret' that this validates what was contained. It is an early assessment with 'low confidence', which likely some permanently entrenched, unelected and unaccountable DC bureaucrat seeking to damage to the administration, to cause controversy were none is needed nor justified, to further their own personal political agenda.

In short all that is the most despicable about entrenched, unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats.

Congratulations on winning the jump to biased partisan conclusion award! Unless you have some proof behind your most likely claim about the source of the leak but I kind of doubt you'll have it

 

[eohrnberger]

Congratulations on winning the jump to biased partisan conclusion award!

Unless you have some proof behind your most likely claim about the source of the leak but I kind of doubt you'll have it

As I've stated, 'Most Likely'.

Further, I'm pretty sure that the FBI who is investigating this leak, is going to find him, and it'll be handled appropriately.
Whether its made public, or not, is yet to be seen / determined.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary of those 'likely' conclusions which I posted? No?
Can you even expound on why someone, in the administration, with Top Secret access, would jeopardize all that, in order to leak that report to the press?

 

[snakestretcher]

As I've stated, 'Most Likely'.

Further, I'm pretty sure that the FBI who is investigating this leak, is going to find him, and it'll be handled appropriately.
Whether its made public, or not, is yet to be seen / determined.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary of those 'likely' conclusions which I posted? No?
Can you even expound on why someone, in the administration, with Top Secret access, would jeopardize all that, in order to leak that report to the press?

Ironic, considering Trump's waving Top Secret materials around in Mar-a-Lago, showing them off to anyone expressing an interest; and of course the notorious Signal security breach. The Trump administration leaks like a colander.

National security advisor Mike Waltz takes responsibility for 'embarrassing' Signal chat leak

National security advisor Michael Waltz commented on the Signal text chain leak during an appearance on "The Ingraham Angle."

www.foxnews.com

 

[Uncensored2008]

Quit passing off partisan links then and go straight to the source.

not that hard.

I wonder who was damaged more, Iran or CNN with their blatant lies?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ironic, considering Trump's waving Top Secret materials around in Mar-a-Lago, showing them off to anyone expressing an interest; and of course the notorious Signal security breach. The Trump administration leaks like a colander.

National security advisor Mike Waltz takes responsibility for 'embarrassing' Signal chat leak

National security advisor Michael Waltz commented on the Signal text chain leak during an appearance on "The Ingraham Angle."

www.foxnews.com

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Well, if one lie fails - just dig up an old debunked lie - and repeat it.

 

[ncguy]

Well, if one lie fails - just dig up an old debunked lie - and repeat it.

Certainly wasn't debunked The Trump administration screwed up with the signal fiasco and they admitted it

 

[Ikari]

Trump needs this to be a win, and all the good little MAGAs will run about claiming it's a win. He failed to deliver on his promises of ending the Ukraine-Russia conflict, his Trade War is a disaster, his War on Immigrants is sowing division and protest everywhere, no one went to his birthday parade, his numbers are in the toilet and his showing just how weak of a leader he really is. So he needs a "win", even if he has to manufacture the "win" himself (he is the Reality TV President, he at least knows how to do that). So he off and bombs Iran. A country that could never stand against the American military even at full strength, and one whittled down by Netanyahu over months of exchanging fire. Then after one simple bombing run of questionable effectivity, he declares victory. He's writing the script and hoping it sticks, and the MAGA commies are all trying to regurgitate it en masse.

We've seen this before, this sort of wag the dog tactic ain't new.

 

[SuperDS77]

Trump needs this to be a win, and all the good little MAGAs will run about claiming it's a win. He failed to deliver on his promises of ending the Ukraine-Russia conflict, his Trade War is a disaster, his War on Immigrants is sowing division and protest everywhere, no one went to his birthday parade, his numbers are in the toilet and his showing just how weak of a leader he really is. So he needs a "win", even if he has to manufacture the "win" himself (he is the Reality TV President, he at least knows how to do that). So he off and bombs Iran. A country that could never stand against the American military even at full strength, and one whittled down by Netanyahu over months of exchanging fire. Then after one simple bombing run of questionable effectivity, he declares victory. He's writing the script and hoping it sticks, and the MAGA commies are all trying to regurgitate it en masse.

We've seen this before, this sort of wag the dog tactic ain't new.

LOL! Cool story bro'!

 

[Ikari]

LOL! Cool story bro'!

Just reality. Sorry if that triggers you "bro".

 

[SuperDS77]

Just reality. Sorry if that triggers you "bro".

Yeah sure. "Adorable" indeed!

 

[eohrnberger]

Ironic, considering Trump's waving Top Secret materials around in Mar-a-Lago, showing them off to anyone expressing an interest; and of course the notorious Signal security breach. The Trump administration leaks like a colander.

National security advisor Mike Waltz takes responsibility for 'embarrassing' Signal chat leak

National security advisor Michael Waltz commented on the Signal text chain leak during an appearance on "The Ingraham Angle."

www.foxnews.com

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None of which is related to the topic being discussed.
Nice try at diversion with continued parroting of the left's politically motivated, 1/2 truths, context-less push narratives.

In his time, Stalin described people such as yourself as 'useful Idiots', and he was correct and accurate in that.

 

[Ikari]

Yeah sure. "Adorable" indeed!

You can make any and all excuses for your Dear Leader as you like, we get that MAGAs must at all times worship and exalt Dear Leader. It's a hallmark of MAGA.

But this sort of thing is a standard Republocrat ploy.

 

[dobieg]

I could only make it thru 5 pages of liberals hoping and praying we failed.


It irritates me to no end to know I was once part of that crowd.

 

[SuperDS77]

You can make any and all excuses for your Dear Leader as you like, we get that MAGAs must at all times worship and exalt Dear Leader. It's a hallmark of MAGA.

But this sort of thing is a standard Republocrat ploy.

Fair enough. I will need to repent with 10 "Hail Magas" and 1 "Our Daddy".

Be well!

 

[ModernDiogenes]

It doesn't. They can't confirm that by simply detecting some traces of localized radioactive leakage, and if that's what he's suggesting, then he's a source that's best ignored. They can only truly confirm what happened through satellite imagery and intelligence.

Beyond that, the UN is desperate to remain relevant, and that's not what our own intel believes.

What we need is close up ground penetrating radar. Flying it over won’t let the radar penetrate deep enough to tell us if the 300 ft of concrete was caved in.

Iran needs to let the IAEI on site with the equipment and allow them to visually and radar check it.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I have no doubts that the nuclear energy sites are toast.

That’s not logical. Best you can do is a math assessment on blast figures based on real knowledge on the natural fortifications, their composition, over 300 feet of concrete. Since it’s never been done before best you’d get is an educated guess.

Without that analysis and its figures you’d know nothing. Making a “no doubts” proclamation on knowing nothing is not very smart.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

As the news and press conferences keep rolling forward, it seems to me that the assessment of the UN, IAEA fellow, is probably more accurate than the low-confidence, Pentagon leak from an unknown source.