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Ukraine's separatist areas overwhelmed by soaring infections

Rogue Valley

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Ukraine's separatist areas overwhelmed by soaring infections

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — The Russia-backed separatist authorities in eastern Ukraine on...
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10/13/21
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — The Russia-backed separatist authorities in eastern Ukraine on Wednesday reported the largest spike in new coronavirus infections since the start of the pandemic, saying the health care system has been overwhelmed. The separatist authorities have asked Russia for more assistance, and a convoy is expected to deliver Russian vaccines, ventilators and other medical equipment on Thursday. The health authorities in the Donetsk region of 2.2 million reported 1,005 new confirmed infections and 97 coronavirus deaths in the past 24 hours. The regional Health Department described the situation as “extremely tense,” saying it's facing a shortage of hospital beds and oxygen. “Despite the titanic efforts by medical workers, the number of patients with COVID-19 and pneumonia has overwhelmed the health care system's potential,” the separatists said in a statement. “The situation is extremely tense and it's exacerbating by the day.” The local media reported that hospitals in Donetsk are also facing a shortage of medicines and protective gear. The region, which has been running its own affairs with Russian political, economic and military support since declaring unilaterally independence in April 2014, has seen 5,578 confirmed virus deaths so far. Just about 10% of the population have received at least one dose of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine or its one-shot version, Sputnik Light. The neighboring separatist region of Luhansk reported a similarly tense coronavirus situation, and its authorities shut down schools and imposed a strict lockdown starting Wednesday. The 1.4-million region has recorded a total of 1,708 virus deaths. Ukraine's health authorities say they can't provide assistance to the eastern rebel regions because they don't have access there.
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Per international law and the Geneva Conventions, the occupying power - Russia - is legally responsible for the wellbeing of the occupied population.

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trench warfare will do that along with overrun medical facilities
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia is the occupying foreign power in Donbas and Crimea.
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The Donbass and Crimea are ethnic Russian minority areas seeking liberation from Ukrainian colonial powers. They have the right to independence and self determination from Ukrainian control. The Crimea has been successfully liberated. The independence of Donbass is still in the future.

Why does Kiev persist in denying freedom to Russian minorities?
 
Juin said:
The Donbass and Crimea are ethnic Russian minority areas seeking liberation from Ukrainian colonial powers.
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The Donbas and Crimea areas are Ukrainian territory with Ukrainian sovereignty.

Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: What does International Law Have to Say?

Apart from Iraq, no member State of the United Nations has done anything quite like it. First, in 2008 against Georgia, then on an ever widening stage since February 2014 against Ukraine, the Russian Federation has invaded a fellow member State and forcibly separated territory belonging to that...
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Rogue Valley said:
The Donbas and Crimea areas are Ukrainian territory with Ukrainian sovereignty.
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Imperialist always resort to the doctrine of territorial integrity to deny independence to minorities seeking independence.
 
Juin said:
Imperialist always resort to the doctrine of territorial integrity to deny independence to minorities seeking independence.
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Lol. This is just bad Russian propaganda-speak.
 
Juin said:
Imperialist always resort to the doctrine of territorial integrity to deny independence to minorities seeking independence.
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autonomy. that seems to be the answer for Donbass
 
annata said:
autonomy. that seems to be the answer for Donbass
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Or outright independence. The funny thing is Ukraine itself is the best argument for Donbass. Ukraine itself is independent today based on the right to self determination by minorities. That right extends to all minorities, including Russians. For Ukraine now to say it is her right to reject Russian domination as in the past under the Soviet Union and Czarist Russia, but somehow minorities inside her new independent Republic don't have that same right is absurd.

The kind of Ukraine being constructed by ethnic Ukrainian Nationalists may be much better off with a much smaller Ukraine. A Ukraine with max ethnic Ukrainians and a minimum of Russians; that will be a Ukraine without Donbass and Crimea at the very least.

The constant refrain from Ukraine and her Eu/Nato backers over territorial integrity is pure bs. The EU has precedence for territorial integrity giving way to national aspirations. Czechoslovakia being case in point. If Scotland were to split from UK, that would be another example. The defunct Yugoslavia is another example.

If Ukraine cannot make itself appealing to its minorities then it should prepare for a breakup. Nothing personal against Ukraine. She is independent today because the Soviet Union broke up.
 
Juin said:
Or outright independence. The funny thing is Ukraine itself is the best argument for Donbass. Ukraine itself is independent today based on the right to self determination by minorities. That right extends to all minorities, including Russians. For Ukraine now to say it is her right to reject Russian domination as in the past under the Soviet Union and Czarist Russia, but somehow minorities inside her new independent Republic don't have that same right is absurd.

The kind of Ukraine being constructed by ethnic Ukrainian Nationalists may be much better off with a much smaller Ukraine. A Ukraine with max ethnic Ukrainians and a minimum of Russians; that will be a Ukraine without Donbass and Crimea at the very least.

The constant refrain from Ukraine and her Eu/Nato backers over territorial integrity is pure bs. The EU has precedence for territorial integrity giving way to national aspirations. Czechoslovakia being case in point. If Scotland were to split from UK, that would be another example. The defunct Yugoslavia is another example.

If Ukraine cannot make itself appealing to its minorities then it should prepare for a breakup. Nothing personal against Ukraine. She is independent today because the Soviet Union broke up.
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Ukraine is "historic Russian" so that's the deal, but what you write is what is actually happening
Since Kyiv has the goal of joining NATO (freaking constant NATO expansion -it will)
that would leave Donbass as a buffer zone/state as well between Kyiv and Russia
 
annata said:
that doesnt account for Russian separatists;
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The separatists can walk to Russia if that's where they want to live

annata said:
and to my knowledge there are no active Russian troops in Donbass
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iu
 
Rogue Valley said:
Obviously, you're deficient in English.
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I looked at it. I have cataracts so sometimes thing get blurry. but it's a graph.
You dont source it, and every google search I've found doesnt show Russian troops in Donbass (above)
 
annata said:
Ukraine is "historic Russian" so that's the deal, but what you write is what is actually happening
Since Kyiv has the goal of joining NATO (freaking constant NATO expansion -it will)
that would leave Donbass as a buffer zone/state as well between Kyiv and Russia
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You raise another hilarious point. The fact that the media increasingly screams about Russian revanchism and Putin expansionism. When in fact it is Nato that has expanded from its boundaries on the eastern frontiers of W Germany, hundreds of miles eastwards, to the Baltics and Balkans.

And ominously for Russia, and before Putin started growling, the EU had a folder called something like Eastern Partnership that targeted Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine for tighter relations, and accession in the long term. Given that EU accession is naturally followed by Nato accession; this program, if Putin didn't start growling, would have soon led to a situation where from the domes of the Kremlin Putin would be able to see Nato tanks.

And what about the Russian Federation itself? Won't the West start clamouring for independence for the likes of Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan etc?

I believe that is why Putin, dictatator and son of a b*tch he may be, decided to stop poaching in Russia's near abroad
 
annata said:
I looked at it. I have cataracts so sometimes thing get blurry. but it's a graph.
You dont source it, and every google search I've found doesnt show Russian troops in Donbass (above)
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That was just a cheap shot by Rogue Valley. We must all accept that ethnic Russians in Ukraine have no objections to belonging to a State whose philosophy and orientation is against Russia and Russians.
 
annata said:
I looked at it. I have cataracts so sometimes thing get blurry. but it's a graph.
You dont source it, and every google search I've found doesnt show Russian troops in Donbass (above)
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Check with the OSCESMMU.
 
Juin said:
That was just a cheap shot by Rogue Valley. We must all accept that ethnic Russians in Ukraine have no objections to belonging to a State whose philosophy and orientation is against Russia and Russians.
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What if some Eskimos want to live in Russia? That entitles Moscow to Alaska?

Lol. You certainly have some strange ideas.
 
Juin said:
That was just a cheap shot by Rogue Valley. We must all accept that ethnic Russians in Ukraine have no objections to belonging to a State whose philosophy and orientation is against Russia and Russians.
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it's going to get worse with us arming Ukraine and our antics in the Black Sea
 
annata said:
it's going to get worse with us arming Ukraine and our antics in the Black Sea
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But you have no problem with Russia arming the separatists eh?

The Black Sea is an international body of water under the auspices of international maritime law.
 
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