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"Victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan" - John F Kennedy April 21 1961
The BSS Zaporizhzhia is sinking. And sinking fast. Unsurprisingly everyone aboard is bailing out. BSS? Yea, BSS for Bandera State Ship. Like the Titanic it was supposed to be unsinkable, that is until it ran into an iceberg called Surovikin. Before setting out on her maiden voyage the BSS Zaporizhzhia had a hundred plus applicants vying for Captainship, today she is an orphan. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship, the architects of the BSS Zaporizhzhia are bailing out.
Some were quicker to the exit than others.
Germany's Annalena Baerbock was one of the first to sniff the impending disaster in the air. This was early June at the launch of BSS Zaporizhzhia. Her gaggle of much vaunted German Leopard 2 Panzers were quickly smoked by disrespectful Russians armed with shovels. Backward peasants, these Russians. Cannot even keep to the script. According to the script the Russians were supposed to scram at the approaching roar of Frau Baerbock's Panzers. They did not. Forcing the Green Frau to disavow her beloved Panzers when pesky journalists brought up the embarrassing topic of Panzers smoking by the dozens at the Bradley Square Demolition Derby. Exit Baerbock.
The vitriolic exchanges between the Ukrainian military and the Nato militaries makes for more entertaining reading. On equipment, training, tactics, command and control etc. I will touch on one or two.
The poor performance of Frau Baerbock's Panzers came as a nasty shock to Ukraine's tankers. They had expected so much from this wunder weapon. So the disappointment was worse. This led to much bad talk of western weapons not suitable for Ukrainian battlefields. Worse, veteran Ukrainian tankers started opining that their old Soviet T64s performed far better than Frau Baerbock's Panzers; to the annoyance of western military, who retorted with unflattering observations on equipment handling by Ukrainian Panzer crews.
Training was another cause for vitriolic exchanges.
Here it is not clear who should have been training who. The Ukrainian grunts sent west for training appear to have a far better grasp of the scale of combat in Ukraine than those slated to train them back in the west.
The Ukrainian grunts observed- correctly in my opinion- that the totality of war experience of their western trainers was limited to desert anti terror operations in the Sahara or Syria, Iraq, Yemen. It was all about roadside bomb here, sniper there. World's away from the WWI scale warfare in Ukraine, where it is acres of minefields, not just roadside bombs. Swarms of Lancets, not just snipers.
The brass was not exempt from the vitriolic exchanges either. Ukrainian General in Chief Valerii Zaluzhnyii angrily snapped:
- "You don't understand the nature of this conflict. This is not a fight against rebels. This is Kursk.", Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi
That reference to Kursk lit up the commentary section of the Russian sections of Telegram with comparisons of Zaluzhnyii and his Panzers to the Waffen SS and Wehrmacht at the battle of Kursk. Naturally the incandescent Russians wished of Zaluzhnyi the same fate.
Anyone has some vitriolic exchanges to share?
Juin
"Victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan" - John F Kennedy April 21 1961
The BSS Zaporizhzhia is sinking. And sinking fast. Unsurprisingly everyone aboard is bailing out. BSS? Yea, BSS for Bandera State Ship. Like the Titanic it was supposed to be unsinkable, that is until it ran into an iceberg called Surovikin. Before setting out on her maiden voyage the BSS Zaporizhzhia had a hundred plus applicants vying for Captainship, today she is an orphan. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship, the architects of the BSS Zaporizhzhia are bailing out.
Some were quicker to the exit than others.
Germany's Annalena Baerbock was one of the first to sniff the impending disaster in the air. This was early June at the launch of BSS Zaporizhzhia. Her gaggle of much vaunted German Leopard 2 Panzers were quickly smoked by disrespectful Russians armed with shovels. Backward peasants, these Russians. Cannot even keep to the script. According to the script the Russians were supposed to scram at the approaching roar of Frau Baerbock's Panzers. They did not. Forcing the Green Frau to disavow her beloved Panzers when pesky journalists brought up the embarrassing topic of Panzers smoking by the dozens at the Bradley Square Demolition Derby. Exit Baerbock.
The vitriolic exchanges between the Ukrainian military and the Nato militaries makes for more entertaining reading. On equipment, training, tactics, command and control etc. I will touch on one or two.
The poor performance of Frau Baerbock's Panzers came as a nasty shock to Ukraine's tankers. They had expected so much from this wunder weapon. So the disappointment was worse. This led to much bad talk of western weapons not suitable for Ukrainian battlefields. Worse, veteran Ukrainian tankers started opining that their old Soviet T64s performed far better than Frau Baerbock's Panzers; to the annoyance of western military, who retorted with unflattering observations on equipment handling by Ukrainian Panzer crews.
Training was another cause for vitriolic exchanges.
Here it is not clear who should have been training who. The Ukrainian grunts sent west for training appear to have a far better grasp of the scale of combat in Ukraine than those slated to train them back in the west.
The Ukrainian grunts observed- correctly in my opinion- that the totality of war experience of their western trainers was limited to desert anti terror operations in the Sahara or Syria, Iraq, Yemen. It was all about roadside bomb here, sniper there. World's away from the WWI scale warfare in Ukraine, where it is acres of minefields, not just roadside bombs. Swarms of Lancets, not just snipers.
The brass was not exempt from the vitriolic exchanges either. Ukrainian General in Chief Valerii Zaluzhnyii angrily snapped:
- "You don't understand the nature of this conflict. This is not a fight against rebels. This is Kursk.", Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi
That reference to Kursk lit up the commentary section of the Russian sections of Telegram with comparisons of Zaluzhnyii and his Panzers to the Waffen SS and Wehrmacht at the battle of Kursk. Naturally the incandescent Russians wished of Zaluzhnyi the same fate.
Anyone has some vitriolic exchanges to share?
Juin
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