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Ukraine Rejects Putin's Ultimatum to Surrender Mariupol

Rogue Valley

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It sounds like the Russians are threatening to execute caprured Ukrainian military POW's.

The Ukraine government is sending 100 buses from Zaporizhzhia to Mariupol to evacuate civilians today. Will the Russians bomb this humanitarian convoy?
 
Meanwhile, in the last 48 hours, Zelensky has banned political opposition to his regime and banned the free press. His regime will now be the sole source of news and information in Ukraine.
 
Now Putin can say that because Zelensky refused the offer of surrender, it's Z's fault when Putin kills every man, woman and child in Mariupol.
 
Meanwhile, in the last 48 hours, Zelensky has banned political opposition to his regime and banned the free press. His regime will now be the sole source of news and information in Ukraine.
If you think that's bad you won't believe what we did during WWII when we didn't even have any foreign troops on our soil.
 
Meanwhile, in the last 48 hours, Zelensky has banned political opposition to his regime and banned the free press. His regime will now be the sole source of news and information in Ukraine.

Zelenskyy banned pro-Russia political parties in Ukraine long known for taking their marching orders from the Kremlin. A fifth column.

Hell, Putin is even godfather to Medvedchuk's daughter Daryna.
 
Zelenskyy banned pro-Russia political parties in Ukraine long known for taking their marching orders from the Kremlin. A fifth column.

Hell, Putin is even godfather to Medvedchuk's daughter Daryna.
Allegedly. Even if we believe the propaganda that everyone who isn’t Zelensky is a Russian collaborator - are we just supposed to forget about the fact that these people were democratically elected? And what of the free press? Ukraine is now a dictatorship and history tells us that such power isn’t relinquished voluntarily.
 
If you think that's bad you won't believe what we did during WWII when we didn't even have any foreign troops on our soil.
Neither Roosevelt or Truman banned the opposing political party or eliminated the free press. The United States didn’t call off democracy during WWII.
 
Neither Roosevelt or Truman banned the opposing political party or eliminated the free press.
Not WWII but...

But during WWII our treatment of the Japanese people was far worse than suspending political parties.
In the United States during World War II, about 120,000[5] people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific Coast, were forcibly relocated and incarcerated in concentration camps in the western interior of the country.
There are documented instances of guards shooting internees who reportedly attempted to walk outside the fences.
 
But during WWII our treatment of the Japanese people was far worse than suspending political parties.

His post was intended to dirty up Ukraine.

But never a word from Napoleon about Putin smashing all political opposition in Russia and criminalizing independent media..
 
His post was intended to dirty up Ukraine.

But never a word from Napoleon about Putin smashing all political opposition in Russia and criminalizing independent media..
Lol true. Yeah just pointing at what Russia is doing right now would have been way better. Russia is literally going full 1984 right now.
 
Tell us you are historically ignorant without saying the words……
 
His post was intended to dirty up Ukraine.

But never a word from Napoleon about Putin smashing all political opposition in Russia and criminalizing independent media..
You’re welcome to criticize Putin for that, but you can no longer pretend that Zelensky is any better now that he’s cancelled Democracy in Ukraine.
 
No not allegedly. I posted the relevant article in this forum a few days ago.
Yes, allegedly. The Zelensky regime has placed him under house arrest for over a year without trial. If it’s more than just innuendo and rumor then why has there been no criminal trial?
 
You’re welcome to criticize Putin for that, but you can no longer pretend that Zelensky is any better now that he’s cancelled Democracy in Ukraine.
Zelensky is as bad as Putin because he temporarily, while being invaded, shut down 5th column activity?

You really are pro-Russia/Putin.
 
Zelensky is as bad as Putin because he temporarily, while being invaded, shut down 5th column activity?

You really are pro-Russia/Putin.
You’re really lapping up the propaganda if you believe that everyone who isn’t Zelensky must be a Russian collaborator in the war. These representatives were democratically elected by the people of Ukraine. Nobody voted for Zelensky to cancel Democracy and seize power for himself. He’s done more to destroy Ukranian democracy in the last 48 hours than Putin has managed to accomplish in 4 weeks of war.
 
You’re really lapping up the propaganda if you believe that everyone who isn’t Zelensky must be a Russian collaborator in the war.
You, not everyone.
And it was your own posts.

These representatives were democratically elected by the people of Ukraine. Nobody voted for Zelensky to cancel Democracy and seize power for himself.
It's war time, he's being invaded injustily by Russia. Why are you so appalled at a minor war-time measure and not Russia/Putin's invasion of Ukraine killing civilians, etc.? Your arguments are lost in a sea of absurdity of your own making.
 
 
Your response is disingenuous at best. Your head would rocket off your shoulders if an American President announced that all political opposition is banned and all press will be consolidated into a single nationalized source of news and information to be decided by the Administration. Cancelling democracy is not a minor thing.
 
I see you can't denounce Russia/Putin and can't determine the relative "wrongness" of PUtin invading and killing civilians, and Zelensky making a termporary war-time call to help shut down the 5th column.

Everyone can see it.
 
I see you can't denounce Russia/Putin and can't determine the relative "wrongness" of PUtin invading and killing civilians, and Zelensky making a termporary war-time call to help shut down the 5th column.

Everyone can see it.
This isn’t about me. What this demonstrates is there are no guiding principles behind your criticisms of Putin. If there were you’d be willing to level those same criticisms against Zelensky. Cancelling democracy is not a minor thing. We have never done that. Not even when the British marched into DC and burned down the White House.
 
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