Ukraine Rejects Putin's Ultimatum to Surrender Mariupol

[Fledermaus]

Allegedly. Even if we believe the propaganda that everyone who isn’t Zelensky is a Russian collaborator - are we just supposed to forget about the fact that these people were democratically elected? And what of the free press? Ukraine is now a dictatorship and history tells us that such power isn’t relinquished voluntarily.

No. It isn't a dictatorship. Stop the hyperbole.

 

[Napoleon]

No. It isn't a dictatorship. Stop the hyperbole.

What do you call it when one man seizes power, bans political opposition, bans the free press, and controls the military?

 

[Fledermaus]

What do you call it when one man seizes power, bans political opposition, bans the free press, and controls the military?

War

 

[Napoleon]

War

The United States has spent most of its history at war and we have never done that.

 

[Rexedgar]

The United States has spent most of its history at war and we have never done that.

Civil War, WW1, WW2. Someone clue @Napoleon in, he seems to have me on ignore……

 

[mike2810]

Meanwhile, in the last 48 hours, Zelensky has banned political opposition to his regime and banned the free press. His regime will now be the sole source of news and information in Ukraine.

Do you have any comment on Russia? Seems Putin has pretty much opposition and the press under wraps for years.

 

[Napoleon]

Civil War, WW1, WW2. Someone clue @Napoleon in, he seems to have me on ignore……

In none of those cases did the American President ban the opposing political party and their elected representatives or ban and consolidate the free press.

 

[Napoleon]

Do you have any comment on Russia? Seems Putin has pretty much opposition and the press under wraps for years.

Sure, Putin and Zelensky were doing the same thing with political opposition before the war. Though Putin has never gone so far as an outright ban on political opposition. The Russian parliament consists of representatives elected from six different parties.

 

[Rexedgar]

In none of those cases did the American President ban the opposing political party and their elected representatives or ban and consolidate the free press.

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How Woodrow Wilson’s Propaganda Machine Changed American Journalism

The media are still feeling the impact of an executive order signed in 1917 that created 'the nation's first ministry of information'

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First world war: how state and press kept truth off the front page

Roy Greenslade: Threatening journalists with arrest seems unthinkable now – but that was just one of the obstacles they faced at the start of WW1

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FDR's War Against the Press

Franklin Roosevelt had his own Breitbart, and radio was his Twitter.

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The Sedition and Espionage Acts Were Designed to Quash Dissent During WWI | HISTORY

As the United States entered World War I, President Wilson and Congress sought to silence vocal and written opposition to U.S. involvement in the war.

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[Rexedgar]

Sure, Putin and Zelensky were doing the same thing with political opposition before the war. Though Putin has never gone so far as an outright ban on political opposition. The Russian parliament consists of representatives elected from six different parties.

Don’t drink the tea!

 

[Napoleon]

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www.usnews.com

How Woodrow Wilson’s Propaganda Machine Changed American Journalism

The media are still feeling the impact of an executive order signed in 1917 that created 'the nation's first ministry of information'

www.smithsonianmag.com

First world war: how state and press kept truth off the front page

Roy Greenslade: Threatening journalists with arrest seems unthinkable now – but that was just one of the obstacles they faced at the start of WW1

www.theguardian.com

FDR's War Against the Press

Franklin Roosevelt had his own Breitbart, and radio was his Twitter.

reason.com

The Sedition and Espionage Acts Were Designed to Quash Dissent During WWI | HISTORY

As the United States entered World War I, President Wilson and Congress sought to silence vocal and written opposition to U.S. involvement in the war.

www.history.com

Again, in none of those cases was the press consolidated and nationalized. Nor did Wilson or FDR ban the opposing party and their elected representatives.

 

[Irredentist]

In none of those cases did the American President ban the opposing political party and their elected representatives or ban and consolidate the free press.

We've done some pretty bad stuff dude, maybe look up the espionage act? Or how Lincoln suspended civil rights and jailed political opponents without trial?

 

[Irredentist]

Again, in none of those cases was the press consolidated and nationalized. Nor did Wilson or FDR ban the opposing party and their elected representatives.

If the press is well and truly under the government's thumb, why would they need to nationalize it? You're lying to yourself if you think that the US government hasn't exerted extreme control over free speech during wartime.

 

[Napoleon]

We've done some pretty bad stuff dude, maybe look up the espionage act? Or how Lincoln suspended civil rights and jailed political opponents without trial?

Sure, we’ve done some bad stuff. But we have never had a President do what Zelensky is doing now.

 

[mike2810]

What do you call it when one man seizes power, bans political opposition, bans the free press, and controls the military?

- Do you understand martial law that was declared due to the war Russia started?
- Are you ok for political opposition parties with ties to Russia to continue?
- Are you ok with news media that spreads Russian propaganda during a time of war?

 

[Rogue Valley]

You’re welcome to criticize Putin for that, but you can no longer pretend that Zelensky is any better now that he’s cancelled Democracy in Ukraine.

Lol. Viktor Medvedchuk was hardly a lover of Democracy.....

Putin and Medvedchuk in Moscow. Perhaps planning an invasion?

 

[Napoleon]

If the press is well and truly under the government's thumb, why would they need to nationalize it?

The press wasn’t under the government’s thumb. For example, it knew about the Manhattan Project and it chose to keep it a secret for as long as necessary. A self-regulating press is not the same thing as the government cancelling the press and declaring that the only press will be the government.

 

[mike2810]

Sure, Putin and Zelensky were doing the same thing with political opposition before the war. Though Putin has never gone so far as an outright ban on political opposition. The Russian parliament consists of representatives elected from six different parties.

Putin doesn't have to. He just makes them disappear.

How many of the 6 different parties in Russia have direct ties to other foreign governments?
There is a difference to having different Parties that are all internal to a country than having Parties that have ties to outside Governments.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Sure, we’ve done some bad stuff. But we have never had a President do what Zelensky is doing now.

Every president at war worth his salt does everything possible to minimize/eliminate any enemy Fifth Column within his nation's borders.

 

[Irredentist]

Sure, we’ve done some bad stuff. But we have never had a President do what Zelensky is doing now.

And you think we wouldn't, were we in his position?

 

[Napoleon]

- Do you understand martial law that was declared due to the war Russia started?
- Are you ok for political opposition parties with ties to Russia to continue?
- Are you ok with news media that spreads Russian propaganda during a time of war?

I think you’ve fallen for war time propaganda if you believe that every elected member of the political opposition is a Russian collaborator and every bit of news that doesn’t come from Zelensky’s lips is Russian propaganda. If one man can so easily cancel democracy by mere allegation and innuendo then what are you even trying to save?

 

[Napoleon]

And you think we wouldn't, were we in his position?

We have been and we didn’t.

 

[Irredentist]

The press wasn’t under the government’s thumb. For example, it knew about the Manhattan Project and it chose to keep it a secret for as long as necessary. A self-regulating press is not the same thing as the government cancelling the press and declaring that the only press will be the government.

The press was absolutely under the government's thumb. If any US paper had posed any threat whatsoever to the war effort, they would have been shut down immediately. The US government certainly possesses the power to do so under wartime authority. To think otherwise is naive in the extreme.

 

[Irredentist]

We have been and we didn’t.

No, we haven't been. We've never faced in existential threat from such a vastly more powerful neighboring country aiming to conquer and consume us.

 

[mike2810]

I think you’ve fallen for war time propaganda if you believe that every elected member of the political opposition is a Russian collaborator and every bit of news that doesn’t come from Zelensky’s lips is Russian propaganda. If one man can so easily cancel democracy by mere allegation and innuendo then what are you even trying to save?

Prove that the Parties Zelensky banned are not Russian collaborators?
The Parties that were banned, were they supporting Russia invasion or supporting their country to repel Russia?