No one is going in to fight Ukraine's war for them. Do you ever read the (real) news?NATO might be hard put to get more than a few hundred non US troops into Ukey Land .
Those countries want Russian Gas and not to be carted off in body bags like the US special units will be--- those which have been training the Ukeys for several months .
Who the **** brought the NYT up?
Oh, right. You're just pulling stink nuggets out for us all to smell. I see you haven't changed.
minor incursion -if at all
Nations that refuse NATO get destroyed? Why does Ukraine still exist? What nations have been "destroyed" by not joining NATO? Let's see the list.NATO has been trying to get the Ukraine to join since the Warsaw Pact fell in 1989. Those nations that refuse NATO get destroyed. Just ask Yugoslavia. Oh wait, that's right you can't because Clinton declared that Yugoslavia no longer exists.
After four consecutive years of media lies about Russian collusion, and you still believe what the enemy of the people tell you? That is simply pathetic.
That is why Poland, Hungry, and the Baltic nations joined NATO. They were coerced by the US.
You're simply lying. The NYT covered the human rights abuses in the USSR extensively. There are records of it.I did. You challenged the claim that, in the 20th Century, it was elements on the left who chose to be pro-Russia. NYT's covering for the abuses and crimes of the Soviet Union is simply one example.
I've gotten less acerbic over the years, but, both the fools on the left and the fools on the right still tend to loathe me when I tell them inconvenient things.
Biden has been very, very, very clear that Ukraine is not a NATO country, and not entitled to US military protection, and that his weapon will be economic sanctions and other non military measures.No one is going in to fight Ukraine's war for them. Do you ever read the (real) news?
The incident I was thinking of in particular would be when the NY Times decided to cover up / deny the Holodomore in Ukraine (when the Soviets decided to engineer a famine so as to starve millions to death and bring that country to heel).When did this happen?
19****ing32 is how far you have to go back?The incident I was thinking of in particular would be when the NY Times decided to cover up / deny the Holodomore in Ukraine (when the Soviets decided to engineer a famine so as to starve millions to death and bring that country to heel).
However, they continue that cover up in a soft way (they never returned the Pulitzer they got for it); their "celebration" of the 100 year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution (which featured hard-hitting articles such as "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism"), as I recall, certainly didn't focus on it or the many, many, other horrific abuses, so it's a sort of continued-by-absence-or-downplaying.
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You're simply lying. The NYT covered the human rights abuses in the USSR extensively.
You need to up your game. You've gotten rusty since I've been away.
Biden has been very, very, very clear that Ukraine is not a NATO country, and not entitled to US military protection, and that his weapon will be economic sanctions and other non military measures.
These people are just outright liars.
19****ing32 is how far you have to go back?
That is so pathetic and desperate, it's not even worth engagement.
A little before my time. You sure are digging deep to slam the leftist MSM this morning. Maybe you could find something a little more timely? Duranty and his editors are long gone.The incident I was thinking of in particular would be when the NY Times decided to cover up / deny the Holodomore in Ukraine (when the Soviets decided to engineer a famine so as to starve millions to death and bring that country to heel).
However, they continue that cover up in a soft way (they never returned the Pulitzer they got for it); their "celebration" of the 100 year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution (which featured hard-hitting articles such as "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism"), as I recall, certainly didn't focus on it or the many, many, other horrific abuses, so it's a sort of continued-by-absence-or-downplaying.
The NYT as entity did not cover up the famine, one propagandist who worked for them chose to lie and cover up the famine.Ah. So you have shifted from "That has never happened" to "okay that happened but it was a long time ago"
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Well, the original point was "I guess this century the right has decided it's their turn to be apologists for Russia" - agreeably when we are talking centuries the timelines are a bit longer than the last presidential cycle or twoA little before my time. You sure are digging deep to slam the leftist MSM this morning. Maybe you could find something a little more timely? Duranty and his editors are long gone.
Oh; is that like saying "Fox didn't run Patriot Purge, one opinion show host who worked for them chose to run Patriot Purge"?The NYT as entity did not cover up the famine, one propagandist who worked for them chose to lie and cover up the famine.
Are the NYT's conservative since they backed the Iraq war with Bush? Oh, I'm sure that's different.
Stop wasting bandwidth.
You finished? Could we get back to Ukraine now?Well, the original point was "I guess this century the right has decided it's their turn to be apologists for Russia" - agreeably when we are talking centuries the timelines are a bit longer than the last presidential cycle or two
Its not covering up a genocide (that's pretty horrific), but, as it happens, I do, in fact, recall a more recent event of Democrats denied/downplaying the threat from Russia, and mocking the idea that Russia was a geopolitical foe with "the 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back".
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Which president imposed sanctions on Russia for invading Ukraine the last time? Which president met with Putin and began the process of lifting sanctions without any concessions given?Well, the original point was "I guess this century the right has decided it's their turn to be apologists for Russia" - agreeably when we are talking centuries the timelines are a bit longer than the last presidential cycle or two
Its not covering up a genocide (that's pretty horrific), but, as it happens, I do, in fact, recall a more recent event of Democrats denied/downplaying the threat from Russia, and mocking the idea that Russia was a geopolitical foe with "the 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back".
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You finished? Could we get back to Ukraine now?
No, he's never finished baiting people. It's all he does.You finished? Could we get back to Ukraine now?
Which president imposed sanctions on Russia for invading Ukraine the last time? Which president met with Putin and began the process of lifting sanctions without any concessions given?
If you answered 1. Obama and 2. Trump, congrats. Your memory is working well.
You know, one would think after the international embarrassment the conservative movement gave us in Trump, and how he fellated dictators from Putin to Kim Jong Un alike, that that the right wing would be ashamed to even discuss "who's tougher" on Russia or North Korea. But because conservatives in the US are incapable of feeling shame and caring about their hypocrisy being open for all to see, they feel free to throw countless stones from their glass houses.Oh; is that like saying "Fox didn't run Patriot Purge, one opinion show host who worked for them chose to run Patriot Purge"?
You know, one would think after the international embarrassment the conservative movement gave us in Trump, and how he fellated dictators from Putin to Kim Jong Un alike, that that the right wing would be ashamed to even discuss "who's tougher" on Russia or North Korea. But because conservatives in the US are incapable of feeling shame and caring about their hypocrisy being open for all to see, they feel free to throw countless stones from their glass houses.
I dunno. I get the feeling Monica's sources might be a little more official than that.I have to say, many of the kneejerk takes that I have read on this forum about anything related to Ukraine and NATO--or Ukraine and Russia--almost always tell me like they read a single article on the topic from a dubious source and now feel their expertise sprouting like a chia pet.
If a problem in Mongolia breaks out tomorrow, Monica will soon be telling us what will happen next after she got the inside scoop ordering khorkhog from a waitress in Darhan.
And I appreciate your answer about the Holodomor. Not Romney and all since.....I was responding to your questions to me.
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