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UK plans to recognise Palestinian state unless Israel ends 'appalling situation' in Gaza

I don't have to "acknowledge" that some Hamas fighters have been killed.

The point remains, the Government of Israel is committing war crimes, in the name of the Israeli people, for the purpose of eliminating Hamas from the Gaza Strip. Yet, despite 22 months of intense attacks, blockades of food, potable water, and other necessities of life, and killing c. 60,000 Palestinians outright, Hamas is NOT YET ELIMINATED from the Gaza Strip.

War crimes in support of a goal that is yet to be reached? Why the heck anyone thinks that is okay is beyond me. It's not okay.
Who said it's OK? Your English comprehension is as bad as Tigerace's. You must do better.
And it's stupid as all get out, because there's no way Netanyahu et al will ever be able to determine when or even whether every single Hamas fighter/leader has been killed. In other words, you're giving the Israeli Government carte blanche to keep on torturing and slaughtering trapped Palestinians in pursuit of a goal that can never be reached.

Wow.
Bullshit. I'm not "giving the Israeli government" anything". I'm simply recognizing who can end this war today, versus who cannot, as well as reminding everyone of Israel's history when they've been attacked in the past. If Hamas lays down their arms, returns the hostages, and leaves Gaza, then Israel's pretext for bombing disappears, and this all comes to an end. And you know it. Expecting unilateral capitulation on Israel's part is nothing short of ridiculous. Why would they do that? Why would any country under attack to that?
 
Who said it's OK? Your English comprehension is as bad as Tigerace's. You must do better.

Bullshit. I'm not "giving the Israeli government" anything". I'm simply recognizing who can end this war today, versus who cannot, as well as reminding everyone of Israel's history when they've been attacked in the past. If Hamas lays down their arms, returns the hostages, and leaves Gaza, then Israel's pretext for bombing disappears, and this all comes to an end. And you know it. Expecting unilateral capitulation on Israel's part is nothing short of ridiculous. Why would they do that? Why would any country under attack to that?
Post #201


YOU think it's okay for the Government of Israel to continue to torture, to terrorize, and to slaughter Palestinians trapped in Gaza.

YOU do.

YOU support Netanyahu's doing this to men, women, children, and babies, despite the fact that 60,000 have been killed to date (probably more, given that bodies are likely still buried under rubble), nearly 2.1 million people have been dispossessed, displaced (many several times), impoverished, deprived of food, potable water, and medical care, all in service to the Netanyahu Government's attempt to accomplish the impossible: kill every single Hamas fighter and leader in the Gaza Strip.

YOU are on board with the Government of Israel's continuing to commit these abominable war crimes.
 
Post #201


YOU think it's okay for the Government of Israel to continue to torture, to terrorize, and to slaughter Palestinians trapped in Gaza.

YOU do.

YOU support Netanyahu's doing this to men, women, children, and babies, despite the fact that 60,000 have been killed to date (probably more, given that bodies are likely still buried under rubble), nearly 2.1 million people have been dispossessed, displaced (many several times), impoverished, deprived of food, potable water, and medical care, all in service to the Netanyahu Government's attempt to accomplish the impossible: kill every single Hamas fighter and leader in the Gaza Strip.

YOU are on board with the Government of Israel's continuing to commit these abominable war crimes.
It’s rather fascinating how he keeps waffling back and forth from downright gleeful support of Israel’s actions to suddenly wildly backpedaling and pretending like he is supposedly oh so concerned about the Palestinian civilians.....and expecting nobody to notice.
 
It’s rather fascinating how he keeps waffling back and forth from downright gleeful support of Israel’s actions to suddenly wildly backpedaling and pretending like he is supposedly oh so concerned about the Palestinian civilians.....and expecting nobody to notice.
He's not alone. Posters of all political persuasions seem to believe that because Hamas is a terrorist organization, the Israeli Government has the legal and moral right to torture, terrorize, and slaughter Palestinians en masse.

That this hasn't accomplished the Netanyahu Government's goal of eliminating Hamas from the Gaza Strip doesn't seem to matter.

I don't understand the mind set, but it sure is pervasive..
 
Yeah, the Israeli Government has the to power to unilaterally stop attacking Palestinians in Gaza.

It chooses not to do this.
The Israeli Government has the power to stop starving Palestinians to death. It can allow 500-600 truckloads of aid to enter and travel throughout Gaza (and to ensure safe passage and freedom from attack by the IDF) every single day, but it chooses not to do so.
 
Post #201

YOU think it's okay for the Government of Israel to continue to torture, to terrorize, and to slaughter Palestinians trapped in Gaza.
No. Never said that, and correcting those bullshit distortions of what I'm saying are becoming boring. That's why I resort to posting to horse beating gifs. It's a waste of my time to keep correcting all of you.

What I think, and anyone who comprehends English should have easily gleaned long before now, is that as long as Hamas continues to fight, and continues to hold hostages, then Israel continues to have a pretext for their actions. Get it?

It's THEIR justification - not mine. And as long as it goes on, they will continue to have that justification. I said this back in January 2024, at least a dozen times since then, and it's still true today. And it will still be true tomorrow. And the day after. And next month too! It isn't Israel's war to stop, expecting them to capitulate is moronic, and it's contrary to their history since Day 1.

If Hamas stops making war - then Israel stops.
If Israel stops making war - then Hamas continues, ... because war against Israel is what they want, and what they're all willing to gladly sacrifice their lives for. Every single one of them. Dying in a war against Israel is what paves Hamas's path to paradise.

Get it? Let me know when the ****ing light bulb finally turns on. Until then, expect to see a whole lot of horse beating.
No ...
YOU support Netanyahu's doing this to men, women, children, and babies, despite the fact that 60,000 have been killed to date (probably more, given that bodies are likely still buried under rubble), nearly 2.1 million people have been dispossessed, displaced (many several times), impoverished, deprived of food, potable water, and medical care, all in service to the Netanyahu Government's attempt to accomplish the impossible: kill every single Hamas fighter and leader in the Gaza Strip.
no ...
YOU are on board with the Government of Israel's continuing to commit these abominable war crimes.
and no.
 
No. Never said that, and correcting those bullshit distortions of what I'm saying are becoming boring. That's why I resort to posting to horse beating gifs. It's a waste of my time to keep correcting all of you.

What I think, and anyone who comprehends English should have easily gleaned long before now, is that as long as Hamas continues to fight, and continues to hold hostages, then Israel continues to have a pretext for their actions. Get it?

It's THEIR justification - not mine. And as long as it goes on, they will continue to have that justification. I said this back in January 2024, at least a dozen times since then, and it's still true today. And it will still be true tomorrow. And the day after. And next month too! It isn't Israel's war to stop, expecting them to capitulate is moronic, and it's contrary to their history since Day 1.

If Hamas stops making war - then Israel stops.
If Israel stops making war - then Hamas continues, ... because war against Israel is what they want, and what they're all willing to gladly sacrifice their lives for. Every single one of them. Dying in a war against Israel is what paves Hamas's path to paradise.

Get it? Let me know when the ****ing light bulb finally turns on. Until then, expect to see a whole lot of horse beating.

No ...

no ...

and no.
Post #214


You are indeed supporting the Israeli Government's continuing torture, terrorization, and slaughter of civilians trapped in Gaza. Do Netanyahu et al have responsibility and accountability for the decisions they make? In the real world, that of adults, they sure as hell do. But for Israeli apologists, Hamas is somehow forcing the Government of Israel to keep on committing war crimes.

You've acknowledged this yourself, in Post #214:

"What I think, and anyone who comprehends English should have easily gleaned long before now, is that as long as Hamas continues to fight, and continues to hold hostages, then Israel continues to have a pretext for their actions. Get it?"

"Pretext'....yeah, I get it. You just gave it away.
 
The “Jewish state” could end the war tomorrow if it gave up its mass murder campaign.

No amount of denial can change that.
How about "The “Hamas terrorists” could end the war tomorrow if it gave up its mass murder of Israelis campaign." ?

Why should Israel give in to Hamas demands and political pressure from France, UK, and Canada? What's in it for Israel?


Making a Palestinian State Less Likely​

France, Canada and the U.K. encourage Hamas and Palestinian Authority intransigence.​

“The fastest way to end the humanitarian crises in Gaza is for Hamas to SURRENDER AND RELEASE THE HOSTAGES,” President Trump wrote Thursday on Truth Social. He’s right, but why should Hamas give up when Israel is under massive international pressure?

Reveling in French, U.K. and Canadian plans to recognize a state of Palestine, Hamas has hardened its position and rejected new cease-fire talks. But even if recognizing a Palestinian state weren’t a gift to Hamas now, it would still be a policy error.

The Soviet bloc and its allies recognized Palestine in 1988, but the West has long insisted that recognition follow the creation of a Palestinian state, not precede it. And to create such a state, the Palestinians would have to agree to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Otherwise, a state would merely be a base from which to expand the fighting. No one should want the West Bank to become another Gaza, devoted to sacrificing its people in perpetual war against Israel.

In 2000, 2001 and 2008, the Palestinian Authority (PA) rejected Israeli offers of statehood because it was unwilling to give up on the dream of a mass migration to rule all of the land “from the river to the sea.” Instead, the PA has turned to an international pressure campaign. France, the U.K., Canada and a few others now vindicate the strategy.

The U.K. makes no demands on the PA, whose state it looks to recognize. France and Canada satisfy themselves with PA “commitments” of reform they know it has no ability or intent to keep. Real actions aren’t forthcoming, so much of the world has stopped asking.

Germany says sensibly that “recognition of a Palestinian state is expected to be the end” of a peace process. But there will be no process so long as other states pressure only Israel and tell Palestinians they needn’t compromise.

Canada asks that the PA commit to holding elections but exclude Hamas, the largest party, from a vote. It took 20 months for PA President-for-life Mahmoud Abbas to outright condemn the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, and the last time he held an election, in 2006, Hamas won and violently purged the PA from Gaza.

The good news is that the decisions that matter aren’t made in Paris, London or Ottawa. No Palestinian state is coming because the PA is weak, corrupt and intransigent, and Hamas wants to kill every Jew. International recognition can serve as a launchpad for legal warfare against Israel. But by showing Hamas that war works when fought cynically enough, and by showing the PA that it need never compromise, it pushes Palestinian statehood further away.

 
How about "The “Hamas terrorists” could end the war tomorrow if it gave up its mass murder of Israelis campaign." ?

Why should Israel give in to Hamas demands and political pressure from France, UK, and Canada? What's in it for Israel?


Making a Palestinian State Less Likely​

France, Canada and the U.K. encourage Hamas and Palestinian Authority intransigence.​

“The fastest way to end the humanitarian crises in Gaza is for Hamas to SURRENDER AND RELEASE THE HOSTAGES,” President Trump wrote Thursday on Truth Social. He’s right, but why should Hamas give up when Israel is under massive international pressure?

Reveling in French, U.K. and Canadian plans to recognize a state of Palestine, Hamas has hardened its position and rejected new cease-fire talks. But even if recognizing a Palestinian state weren’t a gift to Hamas now, it would still be a policy error.

The Soviet bloc and its allies recognized Palestine in 1988, but the West has long insisted that recognition follow the creation of a Palestinian state, not precede it. And to create such a state, the Palestinians would have to agree to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Otherwise, a state would merely be a base from which to expand the fighting. No one should want the West Bank to become another Gaza, devoted to sacrificing its people in perpetual war against Israel.

In 2000, 2001 and 2008, the Palestinian Authority (PA) rejected Israeli offers of statehood because it was unwilling to give up on the dream of a mass migration to rule all of the land “from the river to the sea.” Instead, the PA has turned to an international pressure campaign. France, the U.K., Canada and a few others now vindicate the strategy.

The U.K. makes no demands on the PA, whose state it looks to recognize. France and Canada satisfy themselves with PA “commitments” of reform they know it has no ability or intent to keep. Real actions aren’t forthcoming, so much of the world has stopped asking.

Germany says sensibly that “recognition of a Palestinian state is expected to be the end” of a peace process. But there will be no process so long as other states pressure only Israel and tell Palestinians they needn’t compromise.

Canada asks that the PA commit to holding elections but exclude Hamas, the largest party, from a vote. It took 20 months for PA President-for-life Mahmoud Abbas to outright condemn the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, and the last time he held an election, in 2006, Hamas won and violently purged the PA from Gaza.

The good news is that the decisions that matter aren’t made in Paris, London or Ottawa. No Palestinian state is coming because the PA is weak, corrupt and intransigent, and Hamas wants to kill every Jew. International recognition can serve as a launchpad for legal warfare against Israel. But by showing Hamas that war works when fought cynically enough, and by showing the PA that it need never compromise, it pushes Palestinian statehood further away.

Except for the inconvenient fact that Israel’s constant attacks on Palestinian civilians in the West Bank demonstrates—quite clearly—that Hamas is nothing more than the excuse Israel has chosen to “justify” its efforts to wipe out or drive out Gaza’s civilian population

Israel is obligated to abide by international law regardless. No matter how much they whine.

President Trump is a moron.

Israel should stop actively stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank if it expects peace. That’s blatantly obvious.

And no amount of wailing from the Wall Street Journal can change that.
 
Except for the inconvenient fact that Israel’s constant attacks on Palestinian civilians in the West Bank demonstrates—quite clearly—that Hamas is nothing more than the excuse Israel has chosen to “justify” its efforts to wipe out or drive out Gaza’s civilian population

Israel is obligated to abide by international law regardless. No matter how much they whine.

President Trump is a moron.

Israel should stop actively stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank if it expects peace. That’s blatantly obvious.

And no amount of wailing from the Wall Street Journal can change that.
The assumptions you are making as I see it are:
You conclude Israel is trying to wipe out the Gaza civilian population.
I don't buy that.
You conclude Trump is a moron. The most powerful politician in the entire world a moron? Why do you continue to rail against a moron? If morons are stupid, why is he such a target of your unbridled wrath? If should be easier than what you make of it.
And why should Israel stop reclaiming land that is part of their country?
 
The assumptions you are making as I see it are:
You conclude Israel is trying to wipe out the Gaza civilian population.
I don't buy that.
You conclude Trump is a moron. The most powerful politician in the entire world a moron? Why do you continue to rail against a moron? If morons are stupid, why is he such a target of your unbridled wrath? If should be easier than what you make of it.
And why should Israel stop reclaiming land that is part of their country?
Israel’s actions and words make your denial of reality fairly irrelevant….especially given the fact you stated support for Israel sterilizing Ethiopian Jews.

Uh….yes? Having power doesn’t make one smart, in case you hadn’t noticed

Israel’s settlements are blatantly illegal under international law.
 
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