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UK and France 'in talks' to deploy troops to Ukraine over fears of US removing support

iguanaman said:
LOL You are certainly questioning the motives of Ukrainians and shame on you. They are fighting for their lives and the lives of their children. Putin is committing genocide in Ukraine and the Ukrainians know this. Their children are being kidnapped in the occupied territories and their men are being conscripted to die in meat waves. Now that is real misery don't you agree? How would you like your children taken and then being forced to fight and die in a war for the kidnappers?
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Ukrainians were duped into fighting a civil war under false pretenses. Western Ukrainians preferred closer economic ties with the IDF while Eastern Ukrainians wanted to continue the status quo trade relations with Russia.

Once blood was spilled on a massive scale, both sides were unwilling to back down. All this was known in advance to Americans and others who planned the coup which incited the civil war.

Russia will use all of its weapons including its nuclear arsenal before it loses.

Do you want your children, along with all other children on this planet, to pay that price so western investors can make their killing on Ukrainian farmland?

https://mronline.org/2024/12/24/u-s-corporate-land-grab-in-ukraine-underlies-war-with-russia/

"In 2021, Zelensky initiated a land reform program as part of the structural adjustment program begun under the auspices of Western financial institutions that enabled U.S.-based corporations to take over Ukraine’s land.2

"The structural adjustment program had been opposed by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was overthrown in the 2014 U.S.-backed Maidan coup."
 
georgephillip said:
Zelensky owes his office to one of the most corrupt oligarch in Ukraine or Russia; he has likely made huge profits from his presidency without ever risking his own life to defend his homeland.
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[Citation needed]
 
georgephillip said:
No.
It proves she's a cynical war criminal manufacturing plausible deniability for her gullible fans who think she's one of the "good guys."
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This is the part where you explain how she got a million Ukrainians to get out and protest their government.
 
Roadvirus said:
"Grift is in its DNA" because of decades of Russian rule. Russia's culture of corruption took root in it & everywhere else that was part of the USSR.

And Ukraine has gone down in the corruption index because Zelensky has been cracking down hard on it. Dealing with gov't corruption is a requirement in joining the EU.
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From what I've read & heard, Zelensky is himself corrupt. Any truth to that or is that Russia/Democrat propaganda?
 
NOLA Dude said:
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"US President-elect Donald Trump won’t end the Ukraine war because he has appointed 'a bunch of hawks' who suffer from 'Russophobia in the extreme', international relations scholar John Mearsheimer has claimed."

https://unherd.com/newsroom/john-mearsheimer-trump-is-appointing-russophobic-hawks/

Mearsheimer also believes Trump will find it hard to accept Putin's two conditions for entering into negotiations aimed at ending the bloodshed in Ukraine:

1. Ukraine will never be in NATO.

2. Crimes and the for Oblasts Russia has now annexed are permanently lost.

John Mearsheimer's formal education shaped much of his political perspectives.

Before obtaining his Ph.D in government from Cornell University he earned a master's degree in international relations from the University of Southern California. Prior to that, John graduated from West Point after serving one year as an enlisted man.

Since 1982, he's been a faculty member of the Department of Political Science at the University of Chicago.

His political insights stem from a variety of life experiences that most in his line of work haven't experienced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer
 
gboisjo said:
It wasn't, we doubled down and Ukraine is paying for it and when came time to take Ukraine's back we cowered.
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I think our elites believed US economic sanctions would end Putin's SMO within a few weeks of its inception in 2022.

Obviously, they were wrong.

Imho, the really bad news is how the mass murder in Ukraine was designed decades ago to benefit the oligarchs who own the US government;

https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/si.../files/takeover-ukraine-agricultural-land.pdf

"The war in Ukraine has been at the center stage of foreign policy and media reports since February2022.

"Little attention, however, has been given to a major issue, which is at the core of the conflict –who controls the agricultural land in the country known as the 'breadbasket of Europe?'

"This report addresses this gap – identifying the interests controlling Ukraine’s agricultural land and presenting an analysis of the dynamics at play around land tenure in the country.

"This includes the highly controversial land reform that took place in 2021 as part of the structural adjustment program initiated under the auspices of Western financial institutions, after the installation of a pro-European Union (EU) government following the Maidan Revolution in 2014."
 
iguanaman said:
700,000 dead or wounded to take 50km of Ukraine land is not winning. Russia has lost more land in Ukraine than they took in the last 2 years. Look at all the blue on the map. Let's see if Putin agrees to a ceasefire with EU peacekeepers patrolling the DMZ. That will be the end of Putin and he knows it and that is what Trump is demanding. Ukraine will get back all their territory when Russia crumbles.
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Russia has not lost 700,000 dead or wounded; Ukraine has lost that many, at least; Russia is stronger today than it was three years ago; Ukraine is not.

Which side has crumbled?

50 km of Ukraine, really?

Does this look like 50 kilometers?
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Putin will not agree to any EU "peacekeepers" because he has already accomplished his task of removing the proxy forces of a hostile military alliance from his western borders.
 
Fledermaus said:
North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam after the US left in accordance with the Paris Peace accord.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords

"The Paris Peace Accords (Vietnamese: Hiệp định Paris về Việt Nam), officially the Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Viet Nam (Hiệp định về chấm dứt chiến tranh, lập lại hòa bình ở Việt Nam), was a peace agreement signed on January 27, 1973, to establish peace in Vietnam and end the Vietnam War."

How many Vietnamese civilians did the US murder, maim, and displace between 1964 when it invaded and occupied South Vietnam and 1973 when it formally ended hostilities?
 
georgephillip said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords

"The Paris Peace Accords (Vietnamese: Hiệp định Paris về Việt Nam), officially the Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Viet Nam (Hiệp định về chấm dứt chiến tranh, lập lại hòa bình ở Việt Nam), was a peace agreement signed on January 27, 1973, to establish peace in Vietnam and end the Vietnam War."

How many Vietnamese civilians did the US murder, maim, and displace between 1964 when it invaded and occupied South Vietnam and 1973 when it formally ended hostilities?
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The US did not invade South Vietnam.

Stop lying.

North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam after the US left in accordance with the Paris Peace accord.
 
The Hairy Fiddler said:
There was nothing that clearly indicated Mexico from doing a damn thing. The letter was an excuse in my opinion. The u boat sinkings was not good II agree. But the entrance into the Great War was a power play by the US wealthy financiers.

Smedey Butler's speech in 1935 providing damning evidence that the US joined that war for one reason. And it wasn't for protecting our country.
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Because of his life experiences, Butler saw the role finance plays in promoting US wars more clearly than almost anyone of his time or this one:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/115545.Smedley_D_Butler

"'I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers.'

"'In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.'

"'I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914.'

"'I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.'

"'I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.'

"'I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912.'"
 
Fledermaus said:
The United States didn't "occupy" South Vietnam.
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According to real history or official history?

https://chomsky.info/198210__/

"The purpose is obvious: to obscure the fact that the United States did attack South Vietnam and the major war was fought against South Vietnam.

"The real invasion of South Vietnam which was directed largely against the rural society began directly in 1962 after many years of working through mercenaries and client groups.

"And that fact simply does not exist in official American history.

"There is no such event in American history as the attack on South Vietnam.

"That’s gone.

"Of course,

"It is a part of real history.

"But it’s not a part of official history."
 
Fledermaus said:
That doesn't change the fact Russia has been meddling in the internal politics of nations world wide since 1918.

And "fomenting regime change in Moscow"?

How is a free, independent and whole Ukraine "fomenting regime change in Moscow"?
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There has never been "a free, independent, and whole Ukraine" especially since the US fomented a violent coup in 2014 that drove a democratically elected president from office.
 
Fledermaus said:
How about Cuban revolution.

The "democratically elected" bit is irrelevant.
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There's nothing irrelevant about the difference between removing a brutal military dictator and discarding a democratically elected president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution

"The Cuban Revolution (Spanish: Revolución cubana) was the military and political overthrow of Fulgencio Batista's dictatorship, which had reigned as the government of Cuba between 1952 and 1959.

"The revolution began after the 1952 Cuban coup d'état, which saw Batista topple the nascent Cuban democracy and consolidate power."
 
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