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UK and France 'in talks' to deploy troops to Ukraine over fears of US removing support

georgephillip said:
Because he has already won in Ukraine:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
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700,000 dead or wounded to take 50km of Ukraine land is not winning. Russia has lost more land in Ukraine than they took in the last 2 years. Look at all the blue on the map. Let's see if Putin agrees to a ceasefire with EU peacekeepers patrolling the DMZ. That will be the end of Putin and he knows it and that is what Trump is demanding. Ukraine will get back all their territory when Russia crumbles.
 
Fledermaus said:
The United States didn't "occupy" South Vietnam.
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US imperialism destroyed South Vietnam by waging a colonial war perpetrated by 2,709,918 US military personnel between 1954 to 1975; when more than two million foreign troops occupy your country, you are occupied.

https://chomsky.info/198210__/

"'American imperialism has suffered a stunning defeat in Indochina. But the same forces are engaged In another war against a much less resilient enemy, the American people. Here, the prospects for success are much greater.'

"'The battleground is ideological, not military. At stake are the lessons to be drawn from the American war in Indochina; the outcome will determine the course and character of new imperial ventures.'"

— Noam Chomsky, 1975"
 
georgephillip said:
US imperialism destroyed South Vietnam by waging a colonial war perpetrated by 2,709,918 US military personnel between 1954 to 1975; when more than two million foreign troops occupy your country, you are occupied.

https://chomsky.info/198210__/

"'American imperialism has suffered a stunning defeat in Indochina. But the same forces are engaged In another war against a much less resilient enemy, the American people. Here, the prospects for success are much greater.'

"'The battleground is ideological, not military. At stake are the lessons to be drawn from the American war in Indochina; the outcome will determine the course and character of new imperial ventures.'"

— Noam Chomsky, 1975"
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North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam after the US left in accordance with the Paris Peace accord.

And it wasn't a colonial war. It was a war where two sovereign nations fought. One aided by a partisan group who was eventually castrated in 1968.

The United States didn't "occupy" South Vietnam.
 
Fledermaus said:
Trying to stem the tide of Communist activities that eventually led to Communist dictatorships.
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What role did the US carpet bombing of Cambodia play in bringing the Communist dictatorship of Pol Pot to power?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu#Aftermath

"While out of the country on 18 March 1970, the prince was deposed by the national assembly and replaced by Lon Nol.

"The Nixon administration, although thoroughly aware of the weakness of Lon Nol's forces and loath to commit US military force to the new conflict in any form other than air power, announced support for the newly proclaimed Khmer Republic.[49][50]

"In response, the prince quickly aligned himself with the Khmer Rouge. This was a boon to the communist insurgents, whose movement 'started growing as on yeast.'"
 
georgephillip said:
What role did the US carpet bombing of Cambodia play in bringing the Communist dictatorship of Pol Pot to power?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu#Aftermath

"While out of the country on 18 March 1970, the prince was deposed by the national assembly and replaced by Lon Nol.

"The Nixon administration, although thoroughly aware of the weakness of Lon Nol's forces and loath to commit US military force to the new conflict in any form other than air power, announced support for the newly proclaimed Khmer Republic.[49][50]

"In response, the prince quickly aligned himself with the Khmer Rouge. This was a boon to the communist insurgents, whose movement 'started growing as on yeast.'"
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And why was the US bombing Cambodia?

Clue.

It wasn't the Cambodians.
 
georgephillip said:
Not on the borders of the US unlike countless American efforts at fomenting regime change in Moscow.
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That doesn't change the fact Russia has been meddling in the internal politics of nations world wide since 1918.

And "fomenting regime change in Moscow"?

How is a free, independent and whole Ukraine "fomenting regime change in Moscow"?
 
Fledermaus said:
Agreeing isn't the same as installing.
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What are you forgetting?

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2015-05/ukraine-usa-maidan-finance/seite-2

"At first glance, $5 billion is a hefty sum of money – but is it hefty enough to buy an entire revolution?

"The money flowed from 1991 to 2014. Most of it from the U.S. State Department, which handles foreign affairs, and its development arm USAID, which was set up by John F. Kennedy.

"He saw it as successor to the Marshall Plan, which helped rebuild Europe after the Second World War."
 
georgephillip said:
What are you forgetting?

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2015-05/ukraine-usa-maidan-finance/seite-2

"At first glance, $5 billion is a hefty sum of money – but is it hefty enough to buy an entire revolution?

"The money flowed from 1991 to 2014. Most of it from the U.S. State Department, which handles foreign affairs, and its development arm USAID, which was set up by John F. Kennedy.

"He saw it as successor to the Marshall Plan, which helped rebuild Europe after the Second World War."
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Your copy and paste says nothing about "installing " anyone.

USAID is aid given by the US.
 
iguanaman said:
"Subjects of the Federation" is just another word for colonies. Subjects of the King are what all people are in a monarchy.
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There hasn't been a Russian king for more than a century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia

"Every federal subject has its own head, a parliament, and a constitutional court.

"Each subject has its own constitution or charter and legislation, although the authority of these organs differ.

"Subjects have equal rights in relations with federal government bodies.[1]

"The subjects have equal representation – two delegates each – in the Federation Council, the upper house of the Federal Assembly.

"They differ in the degree of autonomy they enjoy; republics are offered more autonomy."
 
georgephillip said:
There hasn't been a Russian king for more than a century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia

"Every federal subject has its own head, a parliament, and a constitutional court.

"Each subject has its own constitution or charter and legislation, although the authority of these organs differ.

"Subjects have equal rights in relations with federal government bodies.[1]

"The subjects have equal representation – two delegates each – in the Federation Council, the upper house of the Federal Assembly.

"They differ in the degree of autonomy they enjoy; republics are offered more autonomy."
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LOL Even Russian citizens don't have any rights and it is even worse in the colonies. Putin is more than a king he is a dictator that has ruled for over 20 years
 
georgephillip said:
US imperialism destroyed South Vietnam by waging a colonial war perpetrated by 2,709,918 US military personnel between 1954 to 1975; when more than two million foreign troops occupy your country, you are occupied.

https://chomsky.info/198210__/

"'American imperialism has suffered a stunning defeat in Indochina. But the same forces are engaged In another war against a much less resilient enemy, the American people. Here, the prospects for success are much greater.'

"'The battleground is ideological, not military. At stake are the lessons to be drawn from the American war in Indochina; the outcome will determine the course and character of new imperial ventures.'"

— Noam Chomsky, 1975"
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Yet Vietnam today is a valued trading partner and our ally against the Chinese communists. All our goals in Vietnam have been accomplished. Sometimes the best way to win is to retreat.
 
georgephillip said:
Not on the borders of the US unlike countless American efforts at fomenting regime change in Moscow.
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Actually the US has actively worked to help keep Putin in power. Our intelligence experts believe that Putin will not use nukes and that makes him preferable to any unknown who might replace him. Even after his invasion of Ukraine we only increased the power and effectiveness of the weapons supplied incrementally hoping that Putin would eventually see that he can never win in Ukraine and withdraw his attack. It was all in vain since Putin is blind and deaf. His downfall will be on him entirely. His insistence on waging an imperialist war of conquest against a people that are willing to die for their country have doomed him to failure and likely an untimely death.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
This isn't proof of a coup. If it is, why is Yanukovych explicitly mentioned as being part of the new government at the end of the conversation?
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There's no way of knowing exactly when this conversation was recorded, but we do know exactly what happened to Yanukovych after he agreed to early elections.

We also know how some recent usual suspects were responding to their successful coup in Kiev:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

"Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing."
 
georgephillip said:
There's no way of knowing exactly when this conversation was recorded, but we do know exactly what happened to Yanukovych after he agreed to early elections.

We also know how some recent usual suspects were responding to their successful coup in Kiev:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

"Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing."
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Yanukovych lied about the most important issue to Ukrainians to get elected and then had his goons shoot the protesters that resulted from that lie. He could have reversed his decision about the EU and remained in power but chose to go to Moscow instead. He was replaced for desertion of duty according to the Constitution of Ukraine. He was in Putin's pocket and a traitor. America will always support the will of the people to remove themselves from domination by our enemies. We believe that democracy is better than dictatorships.
 
georgephillip said:
There's no way of knowing exactly when this conversation was recorded, but we do know exactly what happened to Yanukovych after he agreed to early elections.
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Yes we do. It took place after the resignation of Azarov.

 
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