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UK and France 'in talks' to deploy troops to Ukraine over fears of US removing support

georgephillip said:
When Ukraine allowed the US to inflict a far-right, anti-Russian coup government in Kiev in 2014, it became an existential threat to Russia according to Putin and a vast majority of all Russians.
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How did the new Pro-West government threaten Russia?

Did they say they were going to invade Russia?
Did they say they'd allow the West to invade Russia from Ukrainian soil?


georgephillip said:
Doesn't matter; Russia does and it will not stop until it removes this perceived threat.
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No. Russia will not stop until it's stolen what it wants to steal so it can think that it's a superpower again.

That is Russia's problem: Putzin's twigs and berries are all shriveled up and he thinks that somehow rebuilding the USSR will make them brand new. And he doesn't give a shit about how many Russians he has to send to die or how high prices of simple foodstuffs in Russia will rise because of economic sanctions to get it done.
 
georgephillip said:
If Ukraine had the slightest intention of living free of Russian interference, it would not allow the CIA to establish bases along its border with Russia.
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Considering the duplicity capability of Russia, i'd want Western agents in my country keeping an eye on them too.
 
georgephillip said:
You appear clueless about when US aid to its puppet government in Ukraine began:

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/#:~:text=To date, we have provided,invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

"To date, we have provided approximately $61.4 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $64.1 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

"We have now used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $31.733 billion from DoD stockpiles."
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2014....when Russia first invaded and stole Crimea & parts of Donetsk & Luhansk.
 
georgephillip said:
How many Nazis did Stalin kill?
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Irrelevant to the numbers of innocent civilians Stalin killed.

georgephillip said:
None that I know of which doesn't mean NATO has no designs of Sevastopol.
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So, no evidence of NATO having plans.

georgephillip said:
When a duly elected Ukrainian president is removed by a violent coup and replaced with a far-right, anti-Russian government as happened in 2014, it is logical to say there was an anti-Russian coup taking place.
"Countries delivering military aid to Ukraine
Delivered heavy weapons to Ukraine
Delivered light weapons or ammunition to Ukraine
Delivered non-lethal material military aid to Ukraine
Delivered non-material military aid to Ukraine
Ukraine"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=Countries delivering military aid to Ukraine&text=The aid has mostly been,institutions for the first time.
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Not answered....

How is the removal of a UKRAINIAN president a "anti-Russian coup"?

And NATO is not engaged in Ukraine.
 
Fledermaus said:
What is the US doing in Gaza that ignores the Rule of International Law?

Doing.

As in action.

Your claim the IDF wouldn't be in Gaza without US weapons is rather ignorant given the weapons manufacturing capabilities of Israel.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_complicity_in_Israeli_war_crimes_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war

"Israel has been accused of committing genocide in the Israel–Hamas war, and the United States has been accused of complicity in the Gaza genocide..."

"While Israel has denied the accusation, international law experts have said that the bombing of Gaza and restrictions on the entry of water, food and other humanitarian supplies could amount to genocide.[a][5]

"The 1948 Genocide Convention, which the US ratified, states that 'genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which [state parties] undertake to prevent and to punish'.

"It also outlines that 'complicity in genocide' is a punishable act.[5] Joe Biden, the president of the United States, has said that there is 'no red line' when it comes to US support for Israel.[1]

"The US State Department has said there is no need for a formal investigation into whether Israel has committed war crimes.[6]"

Speaking of ignorance...
How much aid has the US supplied Israel to enable its genocide in Gaza?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...United States,War Project at Brown University.

"In total, the United States spent $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel from October 2023 to October 2024, a record for a single year, as estimated by the Costs of War Project at Brown University.[17][18]"
 
VanceMack said:
I'm no fan of debt...but thats as much on the citizens that demand federal government spending as it is the politicians. But that that is the limited scope of your vision is as telling as everything you have said.
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How many citizens voted in favor of cost of living expenses outpacing wage growth or private equity parasites buying up available housing and pricing ordinary buyers out of the market?

Perhaps your vision perceives how many senior citizens voted to have their Social Security benefits taxed to repay onerous student loan debt?

Most citizens probably didn't vote to reduce their purchasing power by increasing the prices of goods and services or replacing their steady employment with the Gig Economy.

Likewise, limited access to affordable childcare and other social services can force citizens to borrow particularly since some tax structures disproportionately affect lower and middle income families by reducing disposable income.

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/

Perhaps Adam Smith saw all this at the dawn of capitalism?

"Wherever there is great property, there is great inequality. For one very rich man, there must be at least five hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many."

https://oll.libertyfund.org/quotes/adam-smith-inequality-rich-and-poor
 
georgephillip said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_complicity_in_Israeli_war_crimes_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war

"Israel has been accused of committing genocide in the Israel–Hamas war, and the United States has been accused of complicity in the Gaza genocide..."

"While Israel has denied the accusation, international law experts have said that the bombing of Gaza and restrictions on the entry of water, food and other humanitarian supplies could amount to genocide.[a][5]

"The 1948 Genocide Convention, which the US ratified, states that 'genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which [state parties] undertake to prevent and to punish'.

"It also outlines that 'complicity in genocide' is a punishable act.[5] Joe Biden, the president of the United States, has said that there is 'no red line' when it comes to US support for Israel.[1]

"The US State Department has said there is no need for a formal investigation into whether Israel has committed war crimes.[6]"

Speaking of ignorance...
How much aid has the US supplied Israel to enable its genocide in Gaza?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war#:~:text=In total, the United States,War Project at Brown University.

"In total, the United States spent $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel from October 2023 to October 2024, a record for a single year, as estimated by the Costs of War Project at Brown University.[17][18]"
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Doing... As in doing.

What is the US doing in Gaza that ignores the Rule of International Law?

Doing.

As in action.

Your claim the IDF wouldn't be in Gaza without US weapons is rather ignorant given the weapons manufacturing capabilities of Israel.
 
georgephillip said:
How many citizens voted in favor of cost of living expenses outpacing wage growth or private equity parasites buying up available housing and pricing ordinary buyers out of the market?

Perhaps your vision perceives how many senior citizens voted to have their Social Security benefits taxed to repay onerous student loan debt?

Most citizens probably didn't vote to reduce their purchasing power by increasing the prices of goods and services or replacing their steady employment with the Gig Economy.

Likewise, limited access to affordable childcare and other social services can force citizens to borrow particularly since some tax structures disproportionately affect lower and middle income families by reducing disposable income.

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/

Perhaps Adam Smith saw all this at the dawn of capitalism?

"Wherever there is great property, there is great inequality. For one very rich man, there must be at least five hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many."

https://oll.libertyfund.org/quotes/adam-smith-inequality-rich-and-poor
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🤣

Enough with the empty rhetoric. Its tragic and boring and frankly...your comments look like they are just cut and pasted from any socialist/commje rag.

You continue to indict yourself. You are incapable of seeing beyond the tripe. Id at least give you SOME credibility if your diatribes included ALL the spending ills and ailments that are going to bury our grandchildren.
 
Roadvirus said:
Ukraine's gone down in the corruption index. Russia, on the other hand, has gone up.
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Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

Even if it's true, US tax dollars are not supporting Russian corruption, yet Ukrainian corruption is entirely dependent on US tax payers just as millions of dead, maimed, and displaced Ukrainians stem from US imperialism.
 
Fledermaus said:
Wow ...

There was no Yugoslavia.

And your claim ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia increased after NATO's intervention is rejected.

As to Libya. NATO intervention was to prevent the slaughter of civilians. What resulted after was due to Libyians.
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NATO bombing in Yugoslavia made the situation far worse (which was probably the goal):



"Let me just quote the U.S. NATO commander.

"On March 26th, Wesley Clark, two days after the bombing started, he said, in his words, it was 'entirely predictable' that as a result of the bombing there would be a vast escalation of Serbian atrocities on the ground.

"Well, you know, 'entirely predictable' is too strong; the world isn’t that simple. Nothing is entirely predictable. But it was certainly pretty obvious that they were going to react somehow.

"And they were going to react where they have strength. Well, they don’t have strength in the air; you know, they have strength on the ground.

"So, they were going to react the way they did, you know, by sharply increasing the attacks, and so on.

"If you look at the number of refugees, the U.N. had registered zero refugees in Albania and Macedonia.

"There were some, but they weren’t registered by the U.N., as of March 26th, in fact.

"That’s when the refugee flow started. It’s after the bombing."
 
georgephillip said:
American bombs leveled Gaza City and murdered thousands of civilians.

Any cities leveled by Russia were done in self-defense.
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Cuz they were being invaded by....Ukraine?
 
Fledermaus said:
As to Libya. NATO intervention was to prevent the slaughter of civilians. What resulted after was due to Libyians
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So why did the "humanitarian" intervention concern itself only with Qaddafi's forces and not with the rebels' who have now returned open-air slave market to Libya?

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/noam-chomsky-on-libya-and-the-unfolding-crises

"The triumvirate at once interpreted the resolution as authorizing direct participation on the side of the rebels.

"A ceasefire was imposed by force on Qaddafi’s forces, but not on the rebels.

"On the contrary, they were given military support as they advanced to the West, soon securing the major sources of Libya’s oil production, and poised to move on.

"The blatant disregard of UN 1973, from the start began to cause some difficulties for the press as it became too glaring to ignore.

"In the NYT, for example, Karim Fahim and David Kirkpatrick (March 29) wondered 'how the allies could justify airstrikes on Colonel Qaddafi’s forces around [his tribal center] Surt if, as seems to be the case, they enjoy widespread support in the city and pose no threat to civilians.'

"Another technical difficulty is that UNSC 1973 'called for an arms embargo that applies to the entire territory of Libya, which means that any outside supply of arms to the opposition would have to be covert' (but otherwise unproblematic)."
 
Roadvirus said:
Ukraine's gone down in the corruption index. Russia, on the other hand, has gone up.
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Hey, Putin worked hard for his $200 billion.

No, but seriously, when theft is legal, it's not corruption.


:rolleyes:
 
georgephillip said:
When (if) Ukraine allowed the CIA to establish secret bases along its border with Russia, a provocation occurred:

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-ukraine-russia/

"An explosive New York Times exposé by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

"According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia.

"This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA 'forward operating bases' along Ukraine’s border with Russia, began not with Russia’s 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago."
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Putin only has himself to blame. Our intelligence partnership with Ukraine began after he invaded Crimea.
 
georgephillip said:
Putin was defending his borders from US aggression just as Russia has done since 1918.

Any slaughter by Russian forces in Ukraine pales in comparison to the millions of maimed, murdered, and displaced civilians the US has been responsible for since 1945

That killing, maiming, and displacing and genocide continues to this very day at the hands of US puppets like Israel:
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"In October, Forensic Architecture (FA) released a report meticulously documenting Israel’s military assault on Gaza.

"A Spatial Analysis of the Israeli Military’s Conduct in Gaza since October 2023 not only reports evidence of the military’s violence against all aspects of civilian life—from hospitals, schools, shelters, archeological sites, and religious centers to agricultural lands, water wells, bakeries, and aid distribution—it also documents how these incidents form patterns that, taken together, demonstrate the intent to commit genocide."

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/12/mapp...1&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation
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A-hem.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 
georgephillip said:
So why did the "humanitarian" intervention concern itself only with Qaddafi's forces and not with the rebels' who have now returned open-air slave market to Libya?

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/noam-chomsky-on-libya-and-the-unfolding-crises

"The triumvirate at once interpreted the resolution as authorizing direct participation on the side of the rebels.

"A ceasefire was imposed by force on Qaddafi’s forces, but not on the rebels.

"On the contrary, they were given military support as they advanced to the West, soon securing the major sources of Libya’s oil production, and poised to move on.

"The blatant disregard of UN 1973, from the start began to cause some difficulties for the press as it became too glaring to ignore.

"In the NYT, for example, Karim Fahim and David Kirkpatrick (March 29) wondered 'how the allies could justify airstrikes on Colonel Qaddafi’s forces around [his tribal center] Surt if, as seems to be the case, they enjoy widespread support in the city and pose no threat to civilians.'

"Another technical difficulty is that UNSC 1973 'called for an arms embargo that applies to the entire territory of Libya, which means that any outside supply of arms to the opposition would have to be covert' (but otherwise unproblematic)."
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Sirte was bombed by NATO forces. we bombed civilians
"Another technical difficulty is that UNSC 1973 'called for an arms embargo that applies to the entire territory of Libya, which means that any outside supply of arms to the opposition would have to be covert' (but otherwise unproblematic)."
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qadaffi had weapons stashes in the desert.. many got to Syria. Probably some thru the CIA annex at Bengazi
 
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