:lol: "inept"......
Bin laden's text to America says we need to come to islam for him to stop attacking us....
I find it odd a "pacifist" such as yourself, would excuse bin laden's violence for understanding, and attack the peacemakers that are the American troops...
i spent 10 weeks 2 years ago working with the Holocaust Museum filming interviews of survivors. we also filmed the remains of the death camps and holding camps. we studied the survivors and there stories. i know about war. i know the violence of war.
he was trying to send them out of Germany. the fees for immigration became so high that this practice stopped. it was the nations that raised the fees that pressed the Final Solution. if you read the original papers that were found from the meeting of Wannsee you will see that Reinhard Heydrich states this in that document. it was the senseless raising of immigration fees that brought about the death camps to full capacity. Rudolf Lange insists that something needed to be done with all the Jews. this was the Nazi response to the worlds end of Jewish immigration. fine job the world did by trying to force Hitler's hand.
my problems with religion also fit into this debate as well. such peaceful believers standing up for war. i see them as all hypocrites that have no idea what their faith is about. all they want to do is spread it like some cancer.
:lol: a night at a bar with the Good Reverend, and I could tell you a story about UN corruption and the war THEY caused in 2001.......
you need help with reading comprehension. i said i work with the injured and displaced in Iraq and other places. i do my part. i do work with women in countries where they have no freedom. i cannot do everything. when military's create death and destruction as they do there are not enough people or resources to take care of it all.
you do not know me or can judge as you so like in your Christian way like to do. to know whether i am weak or not. i see you have been by one of your statements to the 1st Gulf conflict. is that the only one you have played in. if so than you may be the weak Willie among us.
no i choose to be as i am because i respect life far more than you do my extremely hypocritical friend. when you figure out what you stand for or against maybe you can unravel the mystery for us so that we can really debate the real person. are you perhaps schizophrenic and suffer from a dual personality or something. it gets confusing as to who i am debating with you. in one thread you are a god freak in the next thread all you can do is chant war and berate a pacifist. you need help if i were you i would seek someone fast because you may hurt yourself while typing from one side than the other.
Pseudo bhuddist intellectualism is vapid when you have nothing to back it up.... :shrug:
Nonsense. I demonstrated through takamura's quote my stance succinctly... Your failure to demonstrate courage is your failure, not the greatness that is the good reverend! :lamo
But your looking at it just 1/2 way.
You're looking at the bad side of what happens when a tyrannical dictator uses violence and coersion to force their soldiers to do something inhumane.
So - on one hand we have Hitler and his insane glory being an ass, to put it lightly. He abused his powers and guided his military into combat to support what he considered right and what we (you me and most people in the world) consider wrong.
So when one lunatic does things like that via his military then, naturally, the only force that can combat it is another military.
So, when a military is used as a grotesque force then it is bad, we agree on this.
When a military is used as opposition to that bad force then they are doing good.
Nothing is perfect, we all agree on this, too.
And human nature isn't containable, we all agree on this too.
So - sometimes power is abused and when it is, especially when it's guided by such grotesque forces such as Hitler, then another force as to oppose and overthrow it.
As happened in WWII.
So you're judging our military actions to be as evil as those of Hitler.
While I, in a million years, could never consider that to be a true comparison, I understand more of why you have this view and it makes a bit more sense in your current situation.
were you helping the victims of husseins iraq before the war or did your concern only arise when those evil americans came in and broke up that wonderful peaceful country? :roll:
nope, I also have been to the balkans, where I watched un troops set up child brothels for thier entertainment, how would a "pacifist" like you have handled that? offer "counseling" to the parade of victims? who when found out sough counceling were never heard from again.
pathetic.....
you shouldn't assume about my faith, you no nothing more than I told you....
no you don't you don't respect nothing but your "ideals" to which does nothing but provide a pillow for the victims of tyrants to rest on before you send them back and pat your priveledge self on the back... fake pacifists are part of the problem, you are sheep, ready to be culled by the wolf.
You are only able to what you think is "help", because rough men are ready to do violence for things that are right. I pity you and your terrorist excusing appeasment.
yes i am. your military followed a man with is own agenda into a conflict that should have never been. it is as bad when you consider the number of Iraqi's that have died in this sweet little US invasion. it is every bad as Hitler. but you see my point. it is that when soldiers follow orders to a fools paradise they are the cause of the problem. if these same soldiers stand up for once and say no. what would that say to all the world.
i detest military. i see it's point because my views are eons away because of the ideas people support. what i am against is the use of these soldiers in a wrong way without talks first. this is what is so wrong. the Reverend just seems to think it is good just to run off and start killing. you do not impress me so. you have an eye on peace and goodness. it is those that see no other way out that scare the world.
No (to the bolded) - you're against the use of military in preemptive and invasive tactics regardless of who is being saved or helped in the process.
Because if you were just against the use of soldiers being used *wrongly* then you wouldn't be against military *in general.*
Regardless ... I understand your side of the issue, now. I just see things differently and I don't consider our goal to be horrific or evil and comparible to the genocide of the Jews.
I'm not saying it's right or acceptable for innocent people to die in our seemingly ridiculous effort just to spread democracy into a country that has shown partial interest in accepting it.
Especially considering that we did exactly that with Iraq and, right after we left, they've continued their own fight and even have been dealt some harsh blows.
i was helping the Kurds and the Iraq's at different times. i was not killing more as you were. you just made it more difficult.
well now you have two battles. you are still way behind. i was in Georgia when the Russians attacked and carried bodies and helped the wounded as well. the UN peacekeepers are pretty much full of ****. if you would like to see just how watch the movie No Man's Land. you can see how they help.
Bosnia was a mess as well. i have earned my right to say what i do about wars and conflicts. i have been there.
you keep on killing and i will keep showing up to clean up your messes. at least i don't have to film the gutless military's as they destroy innocent people from high above or in tanks on the ground.
your faith is a sham. it is phony. when you support as much killing as you do it makes your faith just a large joke. a very large joke. maybe if you went to help in a conflict i could see something of value. it is your type of belief that makes the entire idea of faith a joke.
an invasion is wrong. it was wrong when it happened. it is wrong now. the US was not under any threat from Iraq. Iraq was not in any way part of 9/11.
this was not preemptive. it was purely an assault on a nation. it was wrong.
an invasion is wrong. it was wrong when it happened. it is wrong now. the US was not under any threat from Iraq. Iraq was not in any way part of 9/11.
this was not preemptive. it was purely an assault on a nation. it was wrong. i would support a military solely used to defend it's own shores.
an invasion is wrong. it was wrong when it happened. it is wrong now. the US was not under any threat from Iraq. Iraq was not in any way part of 9/11.
this was not preemptive. it was purely an assault on a nation. it was wrong.
you excuse bin laden say nothing of the brothels I bring up.....
you ignore my quote because you know in your heart its right.
you have an intolerance of religion
Yawn.... and you are the insignificant weak. your loss of composure is dust at my feet :shrug:
It always amazes me that we have done more good in this world than any other country in history & yet so many Americans seem to hate their own country.
Why do you think it is wrong? There were the UN security council resolution violations. There was the general belief (US, Britain, France) in the existence of WMD. There was the objective of spreading democracy. Do we have to be under threat?
On the last item, is it not acceptable to invade an autocratic country, after repeated discussions and warnings, to spread democracy?
It always amazes me that we have done more good in this world than any other country in history & yet so many Americans seem to hate their own country.
yes it was wrong. they had nothing that could strike at us. they did nothing on 9/11. they had found no WMD's in all the searches. it was solely an invasion by the US into a sovereign nation. the military leaders and the nations leaders should be put on trial for war crimes. but alas that will never happen because no nation has the bals to you you on the carpet for such. i just go on helping the battered and beaten by the pathetic structure you call a military.
[On the objective of spreading democracy], is it not acceptable to invade an autocratic country, after repeated discussions and warnings, to spread democracy?
:2wave:I love my country and Katie is not an American.
People can protest, attest and have serious, deep issue with parts of the US but not many people truly dislike the US as a whole.
it seems to me that you have a very high opinion of your nation and close your eyes to all the coups that you have supported and the rest. maybe you should take off the WWII sunglasses now it has been over 50 years.
We had plenty of justification to start the war. We have helped Iraq create a democracy. We have mostly shutdown an insurgency and a terrorist haven. There were no war crimes commited by the US and allies. There were war crimes commited by the terrorists and insurgents. It was worth it to do what we have done.
BTW, you didn't answer my other question:
Why do you think it is wrong? There were the UN security council resolution violations. There was the general belief (US, Britain, France) in the existence of WMD. There was the objective of spreading democracy. Do we have to be under threat?
On the last item, is it not acceptable to invade an autocratic country, after repeated discussions and warnings, to spread democracy?
yea and the day you leave that democracy will be gone. be prepared as McCain said to stay 100 years.
you paid the insurgents to stop fighting. what to do when the money runs out.
there were crimes committed by the US as well.
tell the dead innocents that this was a good thing.
Can you name a single other country on this planet that has done as much good for mankind as we have over the years? We never fight to xpand our borders but fight to help free others for a better life. For this we get badmouthed by some of our own citizens??
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