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BHO is on the right side of the NSA-Snowden kerfluffle. My hypocrisy meter was in the red zone all day hearing the Euros' comments.
BHO is on the right side of the NSA-Snowden kerfluffle. My hypocrisy meter was in the red zone all day hearing the Euros' comments.
LOL ... But what should he be charged with? Technically, I don't think it's treason. Espionage? Is there anything the NSA can do to make this happening again much less likely? These Euros ... I tell you, you can't live with them, you can't live without them ...
one more thing Jack ... from your experience, what do you think is and isn't appropriate for the NSA or other gov't entity to do to protect us ... serious question ...
U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month: report
America!! America!!!!!! MerikA!!!!! MERIKA!!!!!
F yeah....
So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
There is almost no way to have that discussion in this forum. My short, unclassified answer would be "a lot."
There is almost no way to have that discussion in this forum. My short, unclassified answer would be "a lot."
I'm still floored that you espouse personal liberty in your signature yet are willing to give so much of it away in the false name of security.
Defense of the nation does not require offense against our privacy. Unless you buy this "terrorism is a new paradigm" nonsense.
"I know that every good and excellent thing in the world stands moment by moment on the razor-edge of danger and must be fought for." Thornton Niven Wildereace
I would hope that being very close US allies inside NATO would mean something.
But it's not like the US govt is not doing it to their own citizens ...
So the rest of the NSA is made up entirely of criminals? He's the only "conscientious citizen" among them?
No, this is an attention whore not happy where his life was headed. There were far better ways to do this, and he chose the instant celebrity route.
U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month: report
America!! America!!!!!! MerikA!!!!! MERIKA!!!!!
F yeah....
So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
The relevant news report can be found at: NSA Spied on European Union Offices - SPIEGEL ONLINE
If this information is accurate, it is deeply troubling. It is difficult to imagine that bugging EU diplomatic offices serves any legitimate counterterrorism purpose. This is a matter that Congress should investigate thoroughly with the findings made public, as it involves possible activities directed against longstanding strategic U.S. allies. At the same time, should Congress find credible evidence of such activities, it might be useful for Congress to act to suspend the entire program until its scope, breadth, and targets are fully identified and adequate safeguards can be put in place.
With Germany's track record, it's a wise investment to keeo an eye on them.
I don't argue with tools. You're a lost cause that I don't care to engage. Ignore me, and I'll do the same your way.
This is proof that reporters are pretty incompetent when it comes to anything technical. They're also terrible at math.
Merits aside, the US did not *tap* 500,000,000 individual phone calls, emails, and text messages in Germany. That's about 120,000k per second. The terrorism watchlist has about 100,000,000 members on it. It's conceivable that a modern data centre could check a few parameters about the connections with a few parameters on the terrorism watch list, but only a few. And it would still be a pretty sizable achievement to acquire and store that much data.
There are a lot of other people on the internet who gather much more information than the US government.
Being a ham radio guy, I realized when I read the headline that "taps phones" was a figure of speech, and NOT a literal phrase.
Off Topic: I was always curious about getting into that, all I have is a handheld transceiver (Baofend UV-5R) to two-way with my brother. I'd love to mess with something with real range, but wouldn't even know where to get started or licensed.
U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month: report
America!! America!!!!!! MerikA!!!!! MERIKA!!!!!
F yeah....
So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
Does anyone think that the information is shared with US headquartered Multi-National Corporations for business advantages. I think the major banks and corporations are the beneficiaries of this spying. I don't think our gov't should be allying with Korporate Merika. Think no-bid contracts, Iraq and Halliburton. Think billions of dollars unaccounted for by Paul Bremer during his reign in Iraq. Jus' bidness, or is that just a Texas expression?
I will assume it is true. They are not Americans and therefore are not entitled to the privileges and protection of American citizenship, so screw them.
That is pretty simple enough to defend. Now, it would be nice if Americans were to receive the privileges and protections of their citizenship in this regard, but that is wishful thinking thanks to George and Barack.
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