I did present facts. I said until and unless this nation can produce at least 400,000 jobs per month and the unemployment rate increases back over 9% for a few months till it then starts a downward trend we are in deep do-do.
If you don't understand that. you ought not be debating this topic.
Here ya go...
Now I know you'll just dismiss this site as partisan, and I admit that it is no DailyKOS which I know would be preferable to you but here are some others....
The Anatomy of a Hostile Government Takeover - James C. Capretta - National Review Online
RealClearPolitics - Government, UAW Take Over the Auto Industry
Barack Obama Maintains Control Over Banks By Refusing to Accept Repayment of TARP Money - WSJ.com
How Obama's Alternative-Energy Programs Became Green Graft - The Daily Beast
there you go, everything from right leaning to the far left daily beast....Get back to me when you have read them.
j-mac
Wow, not only didn't you present facts, but you switched subjects. Do you know conservative, he posts here. We're discussing j's bogus list. :coffeepap
j, while I laugh at your sources, with the WSJ opinion page, an opinion, being the only credible source, proving you drink the koolaid like I say, none of it consititutes a take over. Insurance is still a private busines, the banks still function independently, the auto industry is not owned by the government. You are again inaccurate and have to go to koolaid drinkers to post links. Sad as that is, you will never convince anyone using these sources. Sorry.
There are no credible sources. Not one. They all have a point of view and an agenda. Sad, but true.
Again, point of view or bias is not what matters. I tell j this often. Accuracy does. Those sources often if not always are inaccurate, and often comically so.
....and I'm sure there are many that dispute the accuracy of your "facts". It's the way of politics.
You do NOT get to be the decider of what is or is not accurate.
Facts are facts. Sorry. Disputing them would be silly. It is often how we interpret them that is the problem. Some wrongly claim that a regulation is a take over or running a business. This is factually incorrect.
But yes, any thinking person can distinquish between silly ass opinion and facts. I do get to call these sites on this.
Facts are facts.
See, this is the problem with attempting to have a conversation with someone that practices transference, and projection in their heavily laden koolaid opinions, derived from such sources as MSNBC, and DailyKOS, MediaMatters...etc. Couple that with the overboard arrogance of thinking themselves some sort of educrat and you get this. No source good enough (unless it agrees with their agenda, as is the case with WSJ in the recent tax cut debacle, or dailybeast for Christ sake), No pundit who's opinion they can agree with unless it is Cris Matthews, or Amy Goodman, No argument that measures up to their own warped, skewed, talking point pap that means nothing unless you agree with them.
Boo, is utterly a waste of time, but generally good to hone skills with if you like going round and round in circles.
j-mac
Really? Not in politics.
From the conversation, I gathered that the Daily Kos had to be a left wing publication of some sort. Now, can we conclude from that the left wing is interested in a Perry candidacy?Rick Perry for President?
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I have never read the "Daily Kos", and the exchange between j-mac and Boo Radley about said blog got me curious. I looked it up, clicked on a link at random within the publication, and came up with this:
From the conversation, I gathered that the Daily Kos had to be a left wing publication of some sort. Now, can we conclude from that the left wing is interested in a Perry candidacy?
I can see where it would, as Perry would be a lot easier to beat than Romney.
Just wondering.
I have never read the "Daily Kos", and the exchange between j-mac and Boo Radley about said blog got me curious. I looked it up, clicked on a link at random within the publication, and came up with this:
From the conversation, I gathered that the Daily Kos had to be a left wing publication of some sort. Now, can we conclude from that the left wing is interested in a Perry candidacy?
I can see where it would, as Perry would be a lot easier to beat than Romney.
Just wondering.
Yes, even in politics there are facts. yes, there are.
24 million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)154.1 X 15.6% Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
14.4 million unemployed PLUS Discouraged workers Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
1.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov) Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
4.5 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site) Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
1/21/2009 6,307,084,792,840.85 4,317,968,751,468.94 10,625,053,544,309.70
11/22/2011 10,326,530,350,389.40 4,721,461,154,539.92 15,047,991,504,929.30
Down grade of U.S. Credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.53 The United States Misery Index By Year
38-44% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
US Poverty Hits Record High: 1 in 6 Americans Living Below Poverty Line | Economy Watch
Report: Poverty hits record level - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com
“Fast and Furious”, “Wide Receiver”
Solyndra, Fisker, and Crony Capitalism Jobs Panel Member Whose Solar Firm Won Loan Guarantees Raises 'Conflict Of Interest' Concerns | Fox News
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
Solyndra solar power company shuts down 15 months after Obama visit
The Tonopah Solar company in Harry Reid's Nevada is getting a $737 million loan from Obama's DOE.
The project will produce a 110 megawatt power system and employ 45 permanent workers.
That's costing us just $16 million per job.
One of the investment partners in this endeavor is Pacific Corporate Group (PCG).
The PCG executive director is Ron Pelosi who is the brother of Nancy's husband.
But there is nothing wrong here, is there?
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
U.S. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News
Stimulus failure
Review & Outlook:Why the Stimulus Failed - WSJ.com
First, I don't use dailyKOS, media matters, or political entertainers on any of the networks. That is your modus of operation, so you're projecting a bit here.
No, present no pundit. Present actual evidence. That's all I'm asking.
Talk to the hand dude....You are becoming just ridiculous as far as debate goes. As Barney Frank once derided one of his own constituents, "Sir, I would have better luck arguing with a coffee table." You are not open to anything that doesn't agree with your own opinion, so have fun with that.
j-mac
Meaning you can't do what was requested. You only have koolaid drinking pundits, and you share the same cup. Enjoy. :coffeepap
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