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U.S. files new suit on Ariz. immigration issue

jamesrage

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Apparently the proillegals in office do not like Arizona making sure those who claim to be in the country legally provide a greed card.


washingtonpost.com

The Justice Department filed another lawsuit against immigration practices by Arizona authorities, saying Monday that a network of community colleges acted illegally in requiring noncitizens to provide their green cards before they could be hired for jobs.
 

From the link:


So let's see what federal law is on this.


USCIS - After a Green Card is Granted

So you are required to carry this card with you at all times and it can be used to prove you can work legally in the US. The link states that he couldn't produce the card he was required to carry so they didn't hire him...... sounds good to me.

Actually this is great news for the Republicans..... most Democrat party voters want Illegal Aliens out of the country and don't support this administrations efforts to stop Arizona from enforcing Federal law, same for Republican voters and most Independents. (don’t make me google it for you, you’ll just look stupid)

I hope they keep this **** up, November is going to be a historical landslide..... this will just make it bigger and last longer.
 
What's a "greed card"... :mrgreen:

Based on the info in the story, this sounds like an unrelated issue, not connected to the Ariz. immigration law.

Besides that both happened in AZ and involve immigrants (although legal in this case, and illegal in the AZ law’s case)

It appears, however, that all those asked for green cards were already known to be legal immigrants.

It also appears that the U.S. Justice Department may win this case, based only on the info in the news story.

Edit: After reading the post previous to mine, I could be wrong.

Edit 2: Unless this guy was not yet 18? :mrgreen:
 
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Would you quote what in the article makes you think they were here legally?.... I must be missing it.
 
Would you quote what in the article makes you think they were here legally?.... I must be missing it.
You quoted it yourself.

After filling out a federal form attesting to his immigration status and producing a driver's license and Social Security card, he was told to complete another form with more immigration-related information, the lawsuit said.
Admittedly, those forms of ID can be forged, but I'm assuming they could check that?

/shrug

It is my understanding that the lawsuit involves the second form - the one asking to see the green card.

It seems humorous that 247 people were supposed to have a green card with them at all times, but didn't, and it's the form asking too see it that gets targeted...But it sounds like it was, technically, illegal.

It also sounds a bit stupid.

A few links:

USCIS - I-Link Reference

Haven't read this one much yet, not sure how to find the specific clause regarding this lawsuit, and probably too lazy to search the whole thing.

However, INA: ACT 264 - FORMS AND PROCEDURE seems interesting:

It contained the following:


Wikipedia yielded two pages entitled "Immigration and Nationality act", one from 1952, and one from 1965. It seems likely that this lawsuit cites the 1952 act, as the 1965 act seems (judging from the wiki page) to address only numbers and origin of immigrants, not any tracking/enforcement processes.

Link: Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wasn't really much help, too generalized.



Edit: Ahh, this looks promising: INA: ACT 274B - UNFAIR IMMIGRATION-RELATED EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES
 
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This may be the clause cited in this case:

Bolded section.

Link: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...7e539dc4bed010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&CH=act

Note: To save space, I cut several sections out that seemed to not have any relavance to the story - full docs are at the link.
 
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Have never seen such an divisive administration so intent of driving a wedge between the populace.
 
This may be the clause cited in this case:

Bolded section.

Link: USCIS - I-Link Reference


Note: To save space, I cut several sections out that seemed to not have any relavance to the story - full docs are at the link.

This would give me pause if a person said they were here legally but couldn't produce a green card....


Issues - drivers licenses for illegal aliens - THEAMERICANRESISTANCE FOUNDATION

BTW....... dude can't count..... I got 15 out of that list.
 
Have never seen such an divisive administration so intent of driving a wedge between the populace.

They are worried about getting re-elected in 2012..... and well they should be.
 
Looking bleaker and bleaker for them.
 
This would give me pause if a person said they were here legally but couldn't produce a green card....

Issues - drivers licenses for illegal aliens - THEAMERICANRESISTANCE FOUNDATION

BTW....... dude can't count..... I got 15 out of that list.
It does seem strange that the law would require legal immigrants to carry green cards at all times, and yet penalize an employer for asking to see it as proof of legal status.

It would appear that the law is designed to prevent employers from asking for too much info and trying to discriminate against legal immigrants simply cause they aren't citizens.

And yet the federal forms don't require a form of ID that said legal immigrant is supposed to have with them at all times.

Wonder why?
 
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Because the federal government is run by the smartest and brightest of us all? :roll:

Or maybe the laws are getting so cumbersome and prolific that no one can keep track of all of them and make them work hand in hand instead of always conflict with each other....... I'll vote for a combination of #1 and #2 as long as it's understood there is a [/sarcasm] after #1.

This should have never come up, but this administration has a thing about attacking anyone or thing that doesn't march in a straight line with their goals and policies, that is what this is about.
 
this makes THREE separate actions on the part of doj AGAINST the people of arizona, their officials, law enforcement, their school system

in addition to the suit called out in the op, there's holder's famous objection to brewer's bill

and:

Justice Department sues Sheriff Joe - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

there's also ms hillary's folks at foggy bottom calling out citizens of the copper state as some kinda abusers of human rights in some stupid report to the completely impotent and laughably effete UN

Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law - Yahoo! News

wow, this could be interpreted in certain quarters as h-a-r-r-a-s-s-m-e-n-t

it is stanley mcchrystal clear to most americans exactly whom this administration perceives as its "enemies" (politico's word, not mine), and they appear to be largely DOMESTIC

President Obama blasts lies, disinformation - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

if only the perplexed putz on pennsylvania avenue would exhibit some similar animus towards those most americans perceive as THEIR foes

Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named - TIME

washingtonpost.com

no wonder so many americans harbor such sincere reservations about THE MAN and his motives

very, very weird

seeya in november
 
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