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"considering" it....LMAO.
Putin is gonna slaughter a ton of pro democracy families in the Ukraine.
And our most religious groups will fall silent.
This is the real beginning of what sparked everything:Do you have any proof whatsoever that the Russian-speaking Eastern Ukrainians were deficit hawks who would rather suffer austerity than increased debt to prop up social spending and increase economic activity rather than more strongly identifying as Russian and wanting to be part of the Russian Federation versus feeling like being treated as second-class Ukrainian citizens?
thanks again. The Euromaidan is what sealed the deal for the Russian separatists - we were in the crowd ginning up the protests for revolution ( Robert Kagan /Vicky Nuland / John McCain). The Maidan led to the annexation as Sevastopol lease was earlier extended, but the Orange factions had threatened the lease before. With the Kyiv factions back in power Putin really had no choice but to secure access -and that meant annexationThis is the real beginning of what sparked everything:
Yanukovych Vetoes Tax Code After Protests
KIEV — Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych scrapped a new tax code on Tuesday, caving in to the largest opposition protest since his election in February.www.themoscowtimes.com Yanukovych signs new tax code - Dec. 03, 2010
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has signed the Tax Code, according to a statement posted on the Web site of… - Dec. 03, 2010. By Interfax-Ukrainewww.kyivpost.com
It's more complicated than that.np the biggest problem was the Russian Hoax which absolutely poisoned US/Russian relations.
Trump wanted to improve US/Russians relations where possible. The INTEL agencies would have no part of it and used
The Steele Dossier ( specifically the FBI) when they knew it was bogus against Trump to stop him -and it worked.
Trump wound up being a hawk because his NSC and the politics of even talking diplomacy to Putin were used against him
not sure I follow all that - but i always try to listen and glean some understandings. thanks.It's more complicated than that.
The real issue there is how Hillary was a feminist political candidate, and Russia had become increasingly anti-feminist ever since ***** Riot's antics against the Orthodox Church during Obama's second term. A political opportunity arrived to exploit the neoconservative foreign policy card since America and Russia competed in the Middle East for generations over petrodollars fueling materialistic consumerism which feminism allied with.
After all, it's so about how Muslims treat their women, right?
My personal theory is that this is little more than Putin trying to use nationalism to rally domestic support for himself. I think they are going to annex Donbas, claim victory domestically, and for the time being leave it at that. I imagine Russia hopes Donbas to too small of an infringement to provoke Western into nations retaliating beyond sanctions, whereas an occupation of Ukraine would probably bankrupt Russia. Strategically at least, this move makes more sense to me than trying to occupy all of Ukraine.What exactly is the end goal of the Russians in taking the Ukraine? Further annexation of all or some of it? Taking Kiev and installing a Kremlin-friendly autocrat like was done in Chechnya? Ukraine has a population of 44 million against Russia's 144 million. This isn't a miniscule country like Georgia with a population of less than 4 million, or Chechnya with its population less than 1.5 million. Their army will punch through the Ukrainian battle lines like a bullet through a beer can. But then what? What else will there be but a massive suppurating guerilla war to drain the blood and what little treasure remains of a massive country like Russia whose GDP is less than that of Italy's?
The goal is to form land borders that are defensible with an army 2/3 the size it has now as their demographics implode, and secure year-round shipping ports.What exactly is the end goal of the Russians in taking the Ukraine? Further annexation of all or some of it? Taking Kiev and installing a Kremlin-friendly autocrat like was done in Chechnya? Ukraine has a population of 44 million against Russia's 144 million. This isn't a miniscule country like Georgia with a population of less than 4 million, or Chechnya with its population less than 1.5 million. Their army will punch through the Ukrainian battle lines like a bullet through a beer can. But then what? What else will there be but a massive suppurating guerilla war to drain the blood and what little treasure remains of a massive country like Russia whose GDP is less than that of Italy's?
np the biggest problem was the Russian Hoax which absolutely poisoned US/Russian relations.
Trump wanted to improve US/Russians relations where possible. The INTEL agencies would have no part of it and used
The Steele Dossier ( specifically the FBI) when they knew it was bogus against Trump to stop him -and it worked.
Trump wound up being a hawk because his NSC and the politics of even talking diplomacy to Putin were used against him
My personal theory is that this is little more than Putin trying to use nationalism to rally domestic support for himself. I think they are going to annex Donbas, claim victory domestically, and for the time being leave it at that. I imagine Russia hopes Donbas to too small of an infringement to provoke Western into nations retaliating beyond sanctions, whereas an occupation of Ukraine would probably bankrupt Russia. Strategically at least, this move makes more sense to me than trying to occupy all of Ukraine.
My fear though is that I don't think this ends with Bonbas. I think Russia is going to keep annexing larger and larger tracts of land to push the boundaries of what they can get away with. Maybe in 5 years they annex the rest of Ukraine, or go after parts of Belarus.
The goal is to form land borders that are defensible with an army 2/3 the size it has now as their demographics implode, and secure year-round shipping ports.
I thought that this was common knowledge.
a: They won't have a choice.I don’t see how Russia thinks it would or could reduce its army by 1/3 and still defend its longest border with its real greatest rival.
if you are going to reference specific questions, cite so I can see exactly what/when you meanWhy we’re Russian intelligence operatives in meetings with Trump campaign officials in the middle of a Presidential election campaign???
And what was the reason behind the almost routine meetings between Trump campaign officials and allies and Russian intelligence operative throughout the campaign and beyond.
Luck won't help them. They'll be slaughtered if they oppose Putin.I cant be too worried about that.
I'm more concerned about the families that the USA slaughtered during its Shock & Awe terror attacks.
And still slaughters to this day via its proxy hired mercenary thugs like Blackwater and others.
Ukraine will have to be the problem of the folks that live there, and their neighbors. I wish them luck!
Luck won't help them. They'll be slaughtered if they oppose Putin.
The goal is to form land borders that are defensible with an army 2/3 the size it has now as their demographics implode, and secure year-round shipping ports.
I thought that this was common knowledge.
if you are going to reference specific questions, cite so I can see exactly what/when you mean
In the meantime I refer you to Mueller and no evidence of Russian collusion findings
So they won't be buying their iPhones from China where they're made?
A big goal of this move is to keep new iphones out of Russia. In my opinion, this is a big deal. Russians love love love love their iphones. There is no phenomenon like it in America. It is difficult to underestimate their role as a status symbol in that part of the world.
If Russians learned that Putin's sabre-rattling toward Ukraine caused America to take away its iphones?
Anyone with a child and a cookie jar on top of the refrigerator knows what that would be like.
Find American goods that Russians actually value and take them away, thereby eroding Putin's support. Love it.
So I guess the older generations had a positive experience as citizens of the USSR? Want to return to those better days? Not the anti-Soviet propaganda I was taught as a pup. I've often wondered how these folks reared in communism actually feel about it--probably not as bad as we think.
Interesting, Yakshi. Be their ambassador for us, please. Tell us more.
We don't have to send flowers. They'll have friends and family that can mourn them privately out of the view of the Russian government.OK. I'll send flowers...if I can find the time.
What am I supposed to do? Worry about everyone and everything on earth? I dont have any problems of my one, so I'm worried about the other side of the world?
What about all those Iraqis and everyone else that the USA murdered? The US should stop doing that, and that will be one LESS thing for me to care about. I'm not looking for MORE things. I'm looking for LESS complication, not more. The EU will have to step up for Ukraine if they want, its their neighbor.
Maybe Putin needs a nationalistic enhancing distraction from discontent at home. Wouldn't be the first war started for similar reasons. Then he can blame the failing economy etc on the degenerates in the west rather than anything he has done.
It did happen, anatta. Russia invaded and then annexed sovereign territory of the Ukraine by holding an unconstitutional referendum in a heavily ethnically Russian-dominated enclave to become an exclave of Russia.
It would be little different than Mexico invading and then annexing San Diego because the ethnically-Mexican population of San Diego County voted to rejoin Mexico.
So they won't be buying their iPhones from China where they're made?
i am not reading that freakish trash.
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