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" senior official with U.S. Central Command said Thursday a force of roughly 20,000 to 25,000 Iraqis, retrained by the U.S.-led coalition will ultimately lay siege to Mosul, likely in April or May."
and then explain how you read "President Obama said" and that the Pentagon didn't know of the announcement out of that.:roll:
ONLY if we can convince them to then go get in those bunkers for us. If only they'd do that this would be a piece of cake.
Bunkers? :lamo
All I have to say is to tell the enemy when you are coming or leaving is ****ing (pardon my french) insane....
Ummm... didn't we do just that when we first invaded Iraq? :roll:
Touché.
The level of stupidity in the government gets more astounding literally, by the day.
You don't give the enemy advanced notice of when you plan to attack!
Ummm... didn't we do just that when we first invaded Iraq? :roll: Didn't we announce we were coming over for ... oh... I don't know... 6 months before we actually did?
The belief that giving ISIL a week or even a month's heads up will make any difference is absurd. What are they going to do? Ready up their tanks? Dust off their helicopters? Upgrade their nuclear arsenal? :lol:
The level of stupidity in the government gets more astounding literally, by the day.
You don't give the enemy advanced notice of when you plan to attack!
Why don't you people go fight for ISIS if you think our president, country, and military are such failures. God I'm sick of the bickering and armchair generals. If you served under me I'd tell you to shut the hell up and go clean the latrines!
Good grief!
And our president is not "BO." His name is designation is president Obama commander in chief of the United States of America. Have some respect for the office.
Yeah, its not crazy to tell the bad guys when and where we're going to attack. Right! :roll:
The belief that giving ISIL a week or even a month's heads up will make any difference is absurd. What are they going to do? Ready up their tanks? Dust off their helicopters? Upgrade their nuclear arsenal? :lol:
false.
nobody divulged target lists ,
US military sources have told the BBC that five key members of the Iraqi regime, including Saddam Hussein, were targeted in the first attacks.
troop strengths,
Less than three weeks after the White House meeting, the Pentagon announced that it would boost the U.S. military presence in Iraq by 12,000 troops, to 150,000.
Army spokesman Col. Joseph Curtin said later that Shinseki was only giving a rough estimate.
Pentagon officials have said that U.S. forces massed in the region number about 200,000, about half of them Army.
In fact, Honduras, Nicaragua and El Salvador are sending a combined total of about 1,000 troops to Iraq, including about 350 troops from Honduras, U.S. defense officials said. News reports cite El Salvador also sending about 350 troops to Iraq, with Nicaragua providing around 250.
Earlier in the day Rumsfeld visited with about 500 U.S. Joint Task Force Bravo troops at Soto Cano, a Honduran air base.
or unit compositions.
servicemembers who do this open themselves up to prosecution under the UCMJ
U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher yesterday announced the 30 countries that have confirmed they will participate: "Albania, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Estonia, El Salvador, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Mongolia, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, U.K. and Ukraine. Their participation in stabilization operations is already confirmed."
But there is skepticism among some military experts and analysts about the number of soldiers that many of these countries can offer. The largest contributor to the multinational division will be Poland with some 2,300 soldiers. Ukraine is posting 1,800 troops to Iraq, while Spain has pledged 1,300.
Bulgaria is sending about 500 troops into Iraq. Hungary has pledged several hundred. Romania and Latvia each are deploying about 150 soldiers, while Slovakia and Lithuania each are sending in 85. Kazakhstan has offered to send 25 soldiers.
Coalition forces now in Iraq include about 150,000 U.S. soldiers and some 11,000 British troops. But according to Ian Kemp, editor of the London-based military affairs publication "Jane's Defence Weekly," many experts estimate that another 100,000 troops are needed to ensure stability across the country.
I have no idea where to go with this. Hey, we are coming...
How about harden defenses, traps, set up civilians by key strategic facilities, move valuable equipment around, and of course hostages.
Harden defences... against what exactly? Set up civilians by key strategic facilities? Moving hostages? Lol. Were they not doing these things already? Gee, one would think that big bad ISIL would have started doing these things now that they've gotten into fights the Kurds, Jordanians, Iran-backed Shiites, etc. Wait, they're only doing it now that the US is getting involved? Lol. Get serious.
You get serious. ISIS was leaving Mosul completely open to attack. But now that one of Hussein Obummer's stooges has let the cat out of the bag, they will be fortifying the place like Camelot. Theses Iraqi's might have stood a chance if they assembled a force and attacked in complete secrecy, but now that BO has given ISIS time to fortify the city, there's no way they can win.
Harden defences... against what exactly? Set up civilians by key strategic facilities? Moving hostages? Lol. Were they not doing these things already? Gee, one would think that big bad ISIL would have started doing these things now that they've gotten into fights the Kurds, Jordanians, Iran-backed Shiites, etc. Wait, they're only doing it now that the US is getting involved? Lol. Get serious.
Here's what others are posting:
"DAMN THAT TRAITOR GENERAL MacARTHUR FOR GIVING THE JAPANESE ADVANCE NOTICE THAT HE WAS GOING TO RETURN TO THE PHILLIPINES GIVING THEM ADVANCE NOTICE!!!"
Stupid old guys fixed at ranting because that's the only thing they do.
We have a different enemy here. Telling them when we are coming and what our troop strength will be gives them time to build a defensive structure where they shoot from behind civilians chained together as a human entrenchment. What do we do when their is 10 civilians surrounding every ISIS fighter?
We have a different enemy here. Telling them when we are coming and what our troop strength will be gives them time to build a defensive structure where they shoot from behind civilians chained together as a human entrenchment. What do we do when their is 10 civilians surrounding every ISIS fighter?
It also puts ISIS in the position to say any civilian caught trying to leave will be burned alive. The old "forewarned for armed" thing. The Art of War is exactly opposite of what Obama is doing.Mornin Ironhorse :2wave: Its worse than that. But the only real reason to telegraph in detail is to get the word out to civilians.
Still, the move bewildered some former top military commanders.
“I was surprised to see them do this,” says retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, who served as commander of US forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005. “It’s a little perplexing to me to go into the amount of detail and the timelines that they did.” It makes some sense, however, to reinforce US confidence in the Iraqi security forces as they move to retake the ground, he adds. And from a psychological warfare perspective, “It sends a message that they are taking back the city.” It might, for example, cause IS forces to converge on the city, drawing them away from fighting elsewhere. Or it could inspire them “to make a tactical withdrawal and go somewhere else, if they realize war is coming.” Analysts including Mr. Barno agree that there is slim chance of the latter scenario. More likely – and important: This could be an effort to avert civilian casualties by encouraging people to leave before the fierce fighting begins.
The problem with telegraphing the plans to retake Mosul, however, is that it allows IS fighters to prepare. “That’s one of the downsides,” says Barno, who is now a distinguished practitioner in residence at American University’s School of International Service in Washington. IS forces will not stand and fight “in big chunks of 500 here and 1,000 there.” Instead, they will plant roadside bombs and set booby traps, using their capabilities “to make it a deadly place.” In the second battle of Fallujah, insurgent fighters set up Jersey barriers and rigged homes with explosives. Like Fallujah, Mosul is a large city of 1 million people, and any US-backed invasion with Iraqi troops will prove to be a “very tough urban fight,” says Dr. Mansoor, chair in military history at Ohio State University in Columbus.....snip~
US outlines mission to retake Mosul from Islamic State. Why so public a plan?
It also puts ISIS in the position to say any civilian caught trying to leave will be burned alive. The old "forewarned for armed" thing. The Art of War is exactly opposite of what Obama is doing.
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."
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