TX Rep. Terry Meza Files Bill Making it Illegal to Defend Your Home with a Firearm

[Antiwar]

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You "need" a firearm to defend against an armed burglary or car jacking only because those committing them may have guns.

I am not pro-gun. Your statement is too much. Self-defense is the best pro-gun argument. The problem is that without good gun control and with societal problems the idea of needing a gun is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Pro-gun people are typically conservative. Conservatives typically don't believe in using tax monies to invest in societal needs. Their number one solution for societal problems is more guns and less gun regulations. The same bad principles seem to apply across the entirety of conservative political positions.

 

[Antiwar]

Not at all. I am allowing people to choose how they want to defend themselves.

No, unfettered gun proliferation proponents make life riskier for everyone. Those that don't want to live by the gun have little to no choice in the matter.

 

[Chillfolks]

No, unfettered gun proliferation proponents make life riskier for everyone. Those that don't want to live by the gun have little to no choice in the matter.

Good thing we don't have unfettered access to guns

 

[jimbo]

Nope, burglaries still happen in the UK, not too many home invasions though

You "need" a firearm to defend against an armed burglary or car jacking only because those committing them may have guns.
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And those committing crimes will have guns whether or not guns are banned.

 

[Rich2018]

Not at all. I am allowing people to choose how they want to defend themselves.

So how does allowing people have guns to defend themselves, not allow people to have guns in which to attack other (innocent) people ?

 

[Rich2018]

I am not pro-gun. Your statement is too much. Self-defense is the best pro-gun argument.

No it's not. UK crime statistics show that it's not

Pro-gun people are typically conservative.

So are pro-God people

Conservatives typically don't believe in using tax monies to invest in societal needs.

You mean like the defense budget that's what nearly $720 BILLION ?

Their number one solution for societal problems is more guns and less gun regulations. The same bad principles seem to apply across the entirety of conservative political positions.

More guns to reduce crime is like more sex to reduce STDs.

 

[Rich2018]

And those committing crimes will have guns whether or not guns are banned.

Where's your evidence of that ?

 

[Chillfolks]

So how does allowing people have guns to defend themselves, not allow people to have guns in which to attack other (innocent) people ?

This is where we diagree fundamentally. You approach the problem as the gun. I see the problem as how do we stop people from attacking innocent people as the issue that needs to be addressed.

 

[jimbo]

Where's your evidence of that ?

Past experience. For less than a few thousand dollars I can buy the equipment to manufacture any type weapon I choose.

But aside from that, we have examples of gun free zones. Chicago, DC, NYC, for example. None of which are gun crime free. In fact, the opposite.

 

[Antiwar]

Good thing we don't have unfettered access to guns

What gun control do you support?

 

[Chillfolks]

What gun control do you support?

Cliff note version
UBC- as long as low cost prefer free and open
A Stepped Age Restrictions access program
Mandatory Training to carry off your personal property.
High Capacity magazines (25+) restrictions.

I would like to see CC recognized in all 50 states.

Any type of registration program is a none starter.

 

[Antiwar]

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Any type of registration program is a none starter.

So, not knowing where guns are and who has them doesn't lead to unfetter gun proliferation?

 

[Chillfolks]

So, not knowing where guns are and who has them doesn't lead to unfetter gun proliferation?

Not when you have laws that already restrict and limit who has access to them.

 

[Antiwar]

Not when you have laws that already restrict and limit who has access to them.

Do you think it's easier to regulate things or people?

 

[Chillfolks]

Do you think it's easier to regulate things or people?

I think regulating things is a bandaid that does not solve the issue.

 

[Antiwar]

I think regulating things is a bandaid that does not solve the issue.

Do you advocate for social programs?

 

[Chillfolks]

Do you advocate for social programs?

If I agree with the program I support it if I don't then no I don't support them.

 

[Antiwar]

If I agree with the program I support it if I don't then no I don't support them.

What political persuasion do you consider yourself to have?

 

[Fishking]

Fortunately, being Texas this isn’t likely to go anywhere.

This being in TX and not likely going to go anywhere is only true for now, and in that state. We'll see it attempted in other states where it will find more fertile ground, plus who knows what will pass where in the not to distant future.

There are many things happening in places today that we never thought would happen just a few years ago.

 

[Chillfolks]

What political persuasion do you consider yourself to have?

Independent. If I like or support a candidates platform I'll vote for them.

 

[Antiwar]

Independent. If I like or support a candidates platform I'll vote for them.

Liberal, conservative, a mystery wrapped in an enigma?

 

[Lursa]

Fortunately, being Texas this isn’t likely to go anywhere.

Hell no and agreed. I believe that currently, TX is the only state where you can use lethal force to defend property.

So it seems like a non-starter to me.

 

[Rich2018]

This is where we diagree fundamentally. You approach the problem as the gun. I see the problem as how do we stop people from attacking innocent people as the issue that needs to be addressed.

IDK, how do you stop people attacking others ?

Especially in low income, high population density areas.

 

[Chillfolks]

IDK, how do you stop people attacking others ?

Especially in low income, high population density areas.

If I had that answer I would be accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. Just because I don't have the answer doesn't mean there is not one.

 

[Rich2018]

Past experience. For less than a few thousand dollars I can buy the equipment to manufacture any type weapon I choose.

But aside from that, we have examples of gun free zones. Chicago, DC, NYC, for example. None of which are gun crime free. In fact, the opposite.

To quote Christopher Hitchens, arguing on the basis of information granted to you, but denied to me, is a contemptible way of arguing

Please stick to evidence you can demonstrate.