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TX court unanamously rules a woman with a fetus that has no skull must carry it to term

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"The Texas Supreme Court on Friday unanimously rejected a challenge to the state’s strict abortion ban, ruling against a group of 22 women and abortion providers who sought to expand the exceptions for medical emergencies under the law.

...In a video conference Friday, 11 of the 20 plaintiffs who sought abortions warned, often tearfully, that it was not safe to be pregnant in Texas or any of the 14 states with near-total bans on abortion.


“This could be you, this could be someone you love,” said Ashley Brandt, who went to Colorado to abort one of her twin fetuses because it had no skull, after doctors in Texas said the condition, known as acrania, threatened the other twin’s life as well as hers, but that they could not give her an abortion. “Abortion is health care and exceptions do not work.”"

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The decision is essentially a correct one, for in states like Texas, it is not doctors, but Republican politicians, who determine who needs this medical procedure.
 
I know several ACLU lawyers. I've been a card carrying member since the 90s. I have a cousin who's a lawyer and a republican. That's about it.
So based on knowing your cousin you’ve determined that republican lawyers only care about winning. Got it.
 
It appears the Republican Party would like to apply the death penalty to a doctor who aborts a skulless fetus.

 
So based on knowing your cousin you’ve determined that republican lawyers only care about winning. Got it.

Lawyers obviously care about winning, it's their livelihood. Then if they become politicians, it's also about winning but they have a lawyer's skill to abstract the "facts of the case" from human consequences.

Doctors are the archetype of the "caring profession" and also in the same category are nurses, teachers and social workers. We should have more of them in politics too.
 
"The Texas Supreme Court on Friday unanimously rejected a challenge to the state’s strict abortion ban, ruling against a group of 22 women and abortion providers who sought to expand the exceptions for medical emergencies under the law.

...In a video conference Friday, 11 of the 20 plaintiffs who sought abortions warned, often tearfully, that it was not safe to be pregnant in Texas or any of the 14 states with near-total bans on abortion.


“This could be you, this could be someone you love,” said Ashley Brandt, who went to Colorado to abort one of her twin fetuses because it had no skull, after doctors in Texas said the condition, known as acrania, threatened the other twin’s life as well as hers, but that they could not give her an abortion. “Abortion is health care and exceptions do not work.”"

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The decision is essentially a correct one, for in states like Texas, it is not doctors, but Republican politicians, who determine who needs this medical procedure.
Remember, these people claim that it is the Democrats that are the fascists and totalitarians.
 
We need more doctors in politics, and fewer lawyers. Lawyers don't care about human beings, or even fetuses; they just want to win.
I disagree. We need MORE lawyers and fewer yahoos. You forget, we've got some pretty nutjob "physicians" in Congress, too - Rand Paul, Ronny Jackson - being a physician is not a defense to inhumanity.
 
"The Texas Supreme Court on Friday unanimously rejected a challenge to the state’s strict abortion ban, ruling against a group of 22 women and abortion providers who sought to expand the exceptions for medical emergencies under the law.

...In a video conference Friday, 11 of the 20 plaintiffs who sought abortions warned, often tearfully, that it was not safe to be pregnant in Texas or any of the 14 states with near-total bans on abortion.


“This could be you, this could be someone you love,” said Ashley Brandt, who went to Colorado to abort one of her twin fetuses because it had no skull, after doctors in Texas said the condition, known as acrania, threatened the other twin’s life as well as hers, but that they could not give her an abortion. “Abortion is health care and exceptions do not work.”"

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The decision is essentially a correct one, for in states like Texas, it is not doctors, but Republican politicians, who determine who needs this medical procedure.

Disgusting. Another blow to women's reproductive freedom from Texas.
 
Disgusting. Another blow to women's reproductive freedom from Texas.
The only criticism I have for your statement is that it is too limited. It's another blow to the lives of women in Texas. It's much more than just reproductive freedom.
 
"The Texas Supreme Court on Friday unanimously rejected a challenge to the state’s strict abortion ban, ruling against a group of 22 women and abortion providers who sought to expand the exceptions for medical emergencies under the law.

...In a video conference Friday, 11 of the 20 plaintiffs who sought abortions warned, often tearfully, that it was not safe to be pregnant in Texas or any of the 14 states with near-total bans on abortion.


“This could be you, this could be someone you love,” said Ashley Brandt, who went to Colorado to abort one of her twin fetuses because it had no skull, after doctors in Texas said the condition, known as acrania, threatened the other twin’s life as well as hers, but that they could not give her an abortion. “Abortion is health care and exceptions do not work.”"

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The decision is essentially a correct one, for in states like Texas, it is not doctors, but Republican politicians, who determine who needs this medical procedure.
Jeez.
 
Unanimously, with 3 of the judges women.
Bizarre

They are really only following the law. But I wouldn't be surprised if they support it. They're Republicans.
 
I know several ACLU lawyers. I've been a card carrying member since the 90s. I have a cousin who's a lawyer and a republican. That's about it.
Ive been a member of the Anthony Romero fan club since 1991.
 
Wait - you think a lawyer that argues that a woman must carry a fetus without a skull cares?
A lawyer that argues that a woman carrying a fetus whose skull has failed to form does not have redress under the law as written is a lawyer who cares about upholding the laws as promulgated by those given lawmaking authority..i.e the legislature. How a lawyer may feel about a particular law irrelevant. It’s not their job to feel. It is their job to argue how the facts apply to the law on behalf of their client.
 
"The Texas Supreme Court on Friday unanimously rejected a challenge to the state’s strict abortion ban, ruling against a group of 22 women and abortion providers who sought to expand the exceptions for medical emergencies under the law.

...In a video conference Friday, 11 of the 20 plaintiffs who sought abortions warned, often tearfully, that it was not safe to be pregnant in Texas or any of the 14 states with near-total bans on abortion.


“This could be you, this could be someone you love,” said Ashley Brandt, who went to Colorado to abort one of her twin fetuses because it had no skull, after doctors in Texas said the condition, known as acrania, threatened the other twin’s life as well as hers, but that they could not give her an abortion. “Abortion is health care and exceptions do not work.”"

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The decision is essentially a correct one, for in states like Texas, it is not doctors, but Republican politicians, who determine who needs this medical procedure.
Insane.
 
A lawyer that argues that a woman carrying a fetus whose skull has failed to form does not have redress under the law as written is a lawyer who cares about upholding the laws as promulgated by those given lawmaking authority..i.e the legislature. How a lawyer may feel about a particular law irrelevant. It’s not their job to feel. It is their job to argue how the facts apply to the law on behalf of their client.
Sad, but true. At the same time, a lawyer - even a government lawyer - has the ethical option to not pursue arguments he/she objects to. I did it on more than one occasion.
 
"The Texas Supreme Court on Friday unanimously rejected a challenge to the state’s strict abortion ban, ruling against a group of 22 women and abortion providers who sought to expand the exceptions for medical emergencies under the law.

...In a video conference Friday, 11 of the 20 plaintiffs who sought abortions warned, often tearfully, that it was not safe to be pregnant in Texas or any of the 14 states with near-total bans on abortion.


“This could be you, this could be someone you love,” said Ashley Brandt, who went to Colorado to abort one of her twin fetuses because it had no skull, after doctors in Texas said the condition, known as acrania, threatened the other twin’s life as well as hers, but that they could not give her an abortion. “Abortion is health care and exceptions do not work.”"

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The decision is essentially a correct one, for in states like Texas, it is not doctors, but Republican politicians, who determine who needs this medical procedure.
I don't know all the perticulars to this story. However this is why even though I'm anti abortion I wold support a limited number of well defined abortions for the rapes, incest, extreme fetal abnormality and serious potential danger to mothers life.
If the left was not so hard set on abortion anytime, anyplace, for any reason, it might be possible to come to a reasonable compromise. The left has no intention of a compromise. In a nation of 333 million compromise has to be a consideration on important issues. I don't see much of that any more. When compromised can't be reached, usually because one or both parties are hardliners on some issue we get farther and farther apart. The extreme dislike for one another is very apparent. In these matters the best resolution is in my mind to do what SCOTUS did, put it in the hands of the states to vote and have a local decision based on the majority. After all that's how a democracy should work.
 
Republicans don't like books. They don't like university educations. They certainly don't like liberal arts degrees. They don't respect people with advanced degrees and years of study in specific fields.

They're ignorance is at least as good, and often better, than your knowledge. They love the uneducated and their love is returned because every poor and lower middle-class slob feels vindicated.

They have liberals to look down on. Trump, believe me, knows more about ISIS than his generals. Everyone on the right, and I mean everyone, knows more about pandemics and viruses than...

Anthony Stephen Fauci (/ˈfaʊtʃi/ FOW-chee;[5] born December 24, 1940) is an American physician-scientist and immunologist who served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) from 1984 to 2022, and the chief medical advisor to the president from 2021 to 2022.[6] Fauci was one of the world's most frequently cited scientists across all scientific journals from 1983 to 2002.[7][8] In 2008, President George W. Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States, for his work on the AIDS relief program PEPFAR.[9]

Fauci received his undergraduate education at the College of the Holy Cross and his Doctor of Medicine from Cornell University. As a physician with the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Fauci served the American public health sector for more than fifty years and has acted as an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan.[10] During his time as director of the NIAID, he made contributions to HIV/AIDS research and other immunodeficiency diseases, both as a research scientist and as the head of the NIAID.[7]

Apparently Fauci, for reasons they never fully express or themselves understand, is evil.

I'm not surprised by semi-literate state assemblies who pass healthcare legislation based on personal prejudices and beliefs rather than following the science.

Trump gave them permission to be ignorant, racist, foul-mouthed, self-righteous, and proud of it. Higher education is just liberal brainwashing.

But we place much too much blame on Trump. When he ran in 2015-16, every republican elected official took shots at him. Many and varied shots. Nasty, ugly,
shots. But when Trump proved to have found the key to popularity with the great unwashed in such a way that they were faithful to him beyond all reason, republicans bent the knee. Again, and again, and again, they bent the knee.

Democrats, by all rights and reasons, should have made chopped liver of a man without fixed beliefs, morals, scruples, education, manners, loyalty, or common sense. But they blew it big time.
 
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