Two simple measures to cut child shootings.

[Manc Skipper]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

 

[jimbo]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

I would have only a small problem with a child proof safety lock provided that the lock in no way impedes the ability of an adult to access the firearm. Not even a tenth of a second.

I have no idea what a loading indicator is. Nor can I find any reference on the internet.

 

[Rucker61]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Would children be expected to check a loading indicator before playing with a gun? Do you know that nearly all new guns are sold with a locking mechanism?

 

[AGENT J]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Locks are fine by me as long as they are the same they are no voluntary and choice.

Loading indicator?

my guns have both a cocking indicator and and a loaded chamber/slide indicator . . is that what you mean?

if so i obviously have no issues with that. But im not a gun guy meaning do i know a lot . . i ASSummed a chamber or slide indicator was pretty standard on new guns. off the top of my head if its not standard i would support it unless theres some logical reason not too

 

[Crovax]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

There is a loading indicator. All guns are loaded at all times, handle accordingly.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I would have only a small problem with a child proof safety lock provided that the lock in no way impedes the ability of an adult to access the firearm. Not even a tenth of a second.

I have no idea what a loading indicator is. Nor can I find any reference on the internet.

MI have a pistol (Taurus PT638) which has both features. In addition to a manual safety it has a key operated slide lock and a round chambered indicator (red spot) on the rear of the slide.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/1/9/the-taurus-pt638-pro-sa-380-acp/

 

[ttwtt78640]

There is a loading indicator. All guns are loaded at all times, handle accordingly.

That is the wise move - assume that the gun is loaded and that a round is chambered unless you verify otherwise.

 

[TurtleDude]

I would have only a small problem with a child proof safety lock provided that the lock in no way impedes the ability of an adult to access the firearm. Not even a tenth of a second.

I have no idea what a loading indicator is. Nor can I find any reference on the internet.

many handguns have a small indicator like something the width of a ball point pen tip that pops up when the gun is loaded. You can feel that at night so you don't have to rack the slide

 

[jimbo]

MI have a pistol (Taurus PT638) which has both features. In addition to a manual safety it has a key operated slide lock and a round chambered indicator (red spot) on the rear of the slide.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/1/9/the-taurus-pt638-pro-sa-380-acp/

I wouldn't be interested in anything key operated. If an intruder enters your home, you've got one second to make a lot of decisions. Adding operating a key to the mix is not for me.

I understand round chambered indicator. Is that the same as a loading indicator? If it is, I don't see how that would decrease accidental deaths by 25%. I may not be the norm, but I assume the weapon is loaded even if I have the magazine in my hand and the slide is back.

 

[Bullseye]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Not particularly new and exciting. Safe storage and securing of firearms has been a tenet of NRA and other responsible gun owner organizations for decades.

 

[jimbo]

many handguns have a small indicator like something the width of a ball point pen tip that pops up when the gun is loaded. You can feel that at night so you don't have to rack the slide

Gotcha. How would that reduce accidental death by 25%?

 

[TurtleDude]

Gotcha. How would that reduce accidental death by 25%?

it wouldn't but given the OP is on record wanting to ban our ability to own all firearms, I really don't find anything he says about firearms to be credible.

 

[Lursa]

That is the wise move - assume that the gun is loaded and that a round is chambered unless you verify otherwise.

It's the number one rule. Period.

 

[Lursa]

All gun safety in the home is the responsibility of the parents. And there are many many different means to secure firearms. Parents have options, including locking safety mechanisms.

Just like for pools and dogs and locking cabinets with chemicals etc etc etc etc each family needs to do what works 'for their family.'

But those options should not be forced on everyone by law. For example, as a single woman on a rural property, I do not want or need safety locks on my defensive firearms.

This needs to be affirmatively acted on by parents, and not forced on the rest of us as punishment.

 

[akyron]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Teaching a fundamental respect for yourself and others works much better.


Being an Honest Person…You must be honest with yourself and with others.

Valuing Academics and Other Forms of Education…A vital key to self-respect is knowledge.

Understanding the Impact of Proper Nutrition/Exercise…In order to be your best, you must feel your best.

Understanding Financial Responsibility…Financial responsibility is a cornerstone to independence.

Learning to Listen…Part of learning self-respect involves respecting the beliefs of others.

Understanding the Value of Good Manners/Proper Conduct…Knowing and exercising good manners and proper conduct will make you feel good about yourself, and, in return, others will respect you for your good manners and proper conduct.

Learning to Accept Personal Responsibility for Your Own Conduct…Part of being a respected person involves taking responsibility for your own actions.

Learning When and How to Apologize…Accepting responsibility involves formally apologizing for wrongdoing and striving to make amends.

Learning to Understand Which of Your Friends are Good Influences and Which Ones are Bad Influences…We must learn to emulate those who are good influences and ignore those who are bad influences.

Having Important Goals and Plans for Reaching Them…Each goal you set and attain, you will gain strength to challenge yourself a little more; the more goals you attain, the more your self-respect will grow.

 

[JLee1977]

We can END accidental deaths, intentional homicides by simply stop listening to the advise of the Gifford's Law Center, and liberal lawmakers, as well as REPEAL all laws that indirectly affect gun violence by directly affecting lawful gun ownership.

 

[vegas giants]

We can END accidental deaths, intentional homicides by simply stop listening to the advise of the Gifford's Law Center, and liberal lawmakers, as well as REPEAL all laws that indirectly affect gun violence by directly affecting lawful gun ownership.

Holy cow. Gun deaths would just skyrocket

 

[Anarchon]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Locks prevent the timely operation of the weapon when seconds count and/or negatively affect the reliability of something that need be as close to 100% reliable as possible. Also, most guns these days already have loaded chamber indicators. That doesn't do squat to "cut child shootings."

This is yet another example of someone who doesn't know jack about the subject copying and pasting crap from gun grabbers...in this case gun grabbers that own the guns themselves, but don't want you to (Giffords).

 

[PleasantValley]

I would have only a small problem with a child proof safety lock provided that the lock in no way impedes the ability of an adult to access the firearm. Not even a tenth of a second.

I have no idea what a loading indicator is. Nor can I find any reference on the internet.

I know some handguns have a loaded CHAMBER indicator, as does the Ruger 22/45.
It is a little protrusion over the chamber that sticks up and you can feel it stick up, even in the dark to know there is a round in the chamber.
This would only be effective for those who think about the chamber and keep it in mind.
It would not help morons who mishandle firearms in any way.
Firearms safety has to be ingrained and instinctive.

That being said, I would discount any advice an America hating Brit has to give about our guns.
Safety is not his ultimate goal. He wants to see the White House in flames, and brags about it happening again.
Every post he makes should be tempered with this in mind.

 

[Casper]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Most firearms come with a lock and almost every semiautomatic handgun already have a loaded indicator. Some, such as myself do not have small children in the home so do not use locks, I put them in the safe if they visit. How a loaded indicator would have any impact on children is beyond me and seems like it is not a well thought out idea. Best safety is assume All firearms are loaded, unless one is sitting in front of me disassembled for cleaning or maintenance I treat it as loaded, even when I know it is not. You best safety is between your ears, never trust a mechanical safety 100% things can and do break.
Now if one really wants to reduce child accidental shootings you teach children about firearms and their uses, dangers, and safe handling. Take the curiosity out and accidents will be reduced. It was common back in my day and we did not have the same numbers of accidents, tests using children some trained and some not show that it is the untrained that will almost always play with a gun planted for them to find. Education does help.

 

[PleasantValley]

Two simple measures to cut child shootings. Engineering a solution is simpler and safer than relying on people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).

Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

I don't need to click on the link to know this one fact.

ANYTIME a bunch of lawyers talk about "to prevent gun violence" and "it's for the children", you can guarantee they are for banning 100% of the guns out there in private ownership.
These are buzz words they are trained to use to sway the uninformed and those unfamiliar with their tactics.

Common buzz words and phrases I have seen gun haters use.

...it's for the children...(while all the time completely IGNORING the fact more children die from drowning each year)

...if it would prevent even one death...(while all the time completely IGNORING the fact more children die from drowning each year)

...common sense gun laws...if they make common sense originally, then why do you want to keep making more and more of them.

...gun safety is our only concern.....Yes, you will feel safe when all guns are banned and destroyed. It does not mean you will BE SAFE....it just means you will FEEL safe....and FEELINGS are all that matter to you anyway.

Now how does this post make you FEEL?

 

[vegas giants]

I don't need to click on the link to know this one fact.

ANYTIME a bunch of lawyers talk about "to prevent gun violence" and "it's for the children", you can guarantee they are for banning 100% of the guns out there in private ownership.
These are buzz words they are trained to use to sway the uninformed and those unfamiliar with their tactics.

Common buzz words and phrases I have seen gun haters use.

...it's for the children...(while all the time completely IGNORING the fact more children die from drowning each year)

...if it would prevent even one death...(while all the time completely IGNORING the fact more children die from drowning each year)

...common sense gun laws...if they make common sense originally, then why do you want to keep making more and more of them.

...gun safety is our only concern.....Yes, you will feel safe when all guns are banned and destroyed. It does not mean you will BE SAFE....it just means you will FEEL safe....and FEELINGS are all that matter to you anyway.

Now how does this post make you FEEL?

The idea that you can not try to help prevent childhood gun deaths AND drownings is completely silly

 

[PleasantValley]

The idea that you can not try to help prevent childhood gun deaths AND drownings is completely silly

Gun banners only want to focus on the small number of gun deaths of children while completely ignoring the very much larger number of kids dying from drowning is hypocritical.
It tells me they are only concerned about child deaths if it fits their agenda. Drownings do not, so they never mention it.
It tells me they do not care one bit about a cause that kills much, much more of them because it does not fit gun banning agenda.

Banning guns is all they care about. Their faux concern for children is just an appeal of emotion.

 

[vegas giants]

Gun banners only want to focus on the small number of gun deaths of children while completely ignoring the very much larger number of kids dying from drowning is hypocritical.
It tells me they are only concerned about child deaths if it fits their agenda. Drownings do not, so they never mention it.
It tells me they do not care one bit about a cause that kills much, much more of them because it does not fit gun banning agenda.

Banning guns is all they care about. Their faux concern for children is just an appeal of emotion.

The idea that you can not work to prevent both kids of deaths is just silly.


What are you doing to prevent childhood drownings? Are you out marching for that cause? Please tell us about everything you have done to try to reduce those deaths. I mean you do care....don't you?

 

[VanceMack]

I have a solution that doesnt require any laws requiring child locks or load indicators.

First...lets be honest...if people are going to use locking mechanisms, they already are. Most news guns sold today already have them and you can get gun locks free at numerous events. As for load indicators...the fatal flaw is not a lack of an indicator, its people doing stupid things.

So...start holding people accountable for the firearms in their homes. Period. If you have guns and small children in the home, child proof your guns. My guns were always accessible. Bringing the gun into a fully ready position took no real additional time. The magazine was stored in a separate location but along the way to the weapon which required me to be fully awake by the time I was ready to rock. But more than the condition of the firearm...my kids were well trained and well practiced and knew better than to attempt to mess with the guns or let their friends. We shot often, we talked about gun safety all the time...there was no 'fascination' or 'mystery' where the guns were concerned. But if something ever happened due to overt negligence on my part I would EXPECT to lose my rights and life.

If you dont have small kids...you should feel free to keep guns any where you please.