The shooting is absolutely unnacceptable, those at fault must be found and brought to justice. But I think the actual behavior of citizen and cop drove the situation further than the comments of some politician. The report about the Ferguson police department was rather damning and it seems they weren’t, on whole, acting appropriately toward the people. The people similarly have behaved badly and lashed out in inexcusable violence. I think it’s easy to just point a finger at one guy, but I think that’s also a gross oversimplification of the complex dynamics of this system. And if we really want to solve the problem, we must examine the actual cause and effect relationships that have led us to this point.
No. My preference would be that the ferguson police department purge itself of its racist elements, and begin to rebuild their relationship with the community. Your own racism is squeezing out the cracks of your posts!
And Holder is to blame because he exposed them for what the police force did wrong in that town?
The white (and to some extent also the black) police officers act like a bunch of KKK wannabee cops and an investigation proves the racist nature of that police force and then this is all Holder's fault?
Sorry, but the investigation into the shooting of Brown cleared the officer so that toxic situation was solved by Holder. But Holder cannot be to blame for the fact that the police there is racist.
If there is a toxic situation it is one for blacks in that community due to some idiot cops.
Example, a 32 year old African American man who just played a game of basketball is sitting in his car cooling down from the game that he and friends played in a public park in Ferguson. Then a cop car pulls up behind the man blocking his car. He demands the man's social security number and identification. Without any cause or reason the officer accuses the 32 year old of being a pedophile (because there happen to be kids in the park) and orders the man out of his car for a pat-down (even though there was no evidence to suggest the 32 year old was armed). The officer asks to search the car, the man who knows his constitutional right objected, with the result that he was arrested. This arrest, reportedly, took place at gunpoint. The man was charged with 8 violations of Ferguson's municipal code's.
One of those charges is "making a false declaration" by stating that his name was Mike rather than Michael and giving his current address rather than his old address which was on his drivers license. He also got a ticket for not having his seat belt on when he was sitting in a parking spot with no car on. The man was also charged with having an expired operators license as well as having no operators license. The charges caused African
American male to loose his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had been holding down for years.
other example:
March 2013, officers responded to the police station to take custody of a person wanted on a state warrant. When they arrived, they encountered a different man—not the subject of the warrant—who happened to be leaving the station. Having nothing to connect the man to the warrant subject, other than his presence at the station, the officers nonetheless stopped him and asked that he identify himself. The man asserted his rights, asking the officers “Why do you need to know?” and declining to be frisked. When the man then extended his identification toward the officers, at their request, the officers interpreted his hand motion as an attempted assault and took him to the ground. Without articulating reasonable suspicion or any other justification for the initial detention, the officers arrested the man on two counts of Failure to Comply and two counts of Resisting Arrest.
other example:
In 2013, FPD stopped a man running with a shopping cart because he seemed “suspicious.” According to the file, the man was “obviously mentally handicapped.” Officers took the man to the ground and attempted to arrest him for Failure to Comply after he refused to submit to a pat-down. In the officers’ view, the man resisted arrest by pulling his arms away. The officers drive-stunned him in the side of the neck. They charged him only with Failure to Comply and Resisting Arrest. In August 2011, officers used an ECW device against a man with diabetes who bit an EMT’s hand without breaking the skin. The man had been having seizures when he did not comply with officer commands.
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
This is what caused the problems and the toxic atmosphere. The behavior of the police in that town is the reason for the problems, not the report or Holder.
I like how 7 emails pulled from at least 3 years ago, potentially all from the same person, prejudices people against an entire department. I give the DoJ an A+ in regards to being fair and just towards all the employees of the police department that either weren't included or didn't appreciate those jokes at the time.
Unless I am mistaken, the most damning revelation to come out of Holder's report was that the Ferguson police department was basically "fund raising" by excessively ticketing people for various minor violations of the law and this practice was disproportionately effecting blacks. Makes perfect sense if the practice was being carried out in predominately black neighborhoods, I guess. If this really was happening I can understand why the residents would be upset.
I think Holder put himself in a very bad position right out of the gates by some of his statements which seemed to indict the officer who shot Micheal Brown before all of the facts were known. He gave the appearance not of someone who was interested in justice, but of someone rushing to judgement for the purposes of furthering an agenda. He created that perception of himself so now it is very easy for people to question his motives for including what basically amounts to an indictment of the Ferguson Police Department for activities completely unrelated to the original event. I have to admit that it does seem odd to read about excessive citations in a report that was supposed to be about a shooting...
Yes, you're right. So remove all these KKK wannabes, and the problem is solved in Ferguson. What is Holder waiting for?
Frankly, I think these death are Holder's fault. I know I'll get attacked by the race baiters, but his insistance on making sure racism was injected into his post report comments are directly related to their deaths in my views.
You're both pieces of **** and I can't wait until idiots like you are relegated to the margins of society.Yes, you will be attacked. I expect to be too. I don't care.
Wait...what other emails were in that report? 5 from 2011, 1 from 2010, and 1 from 2008. Are there more?
I wouldnt blame the cops for not even going into those neighborhoods anymore. Leave the animals to themselves.
Who? The cops, right?
I was going to say you were in the wrong thread, this actually isn't a cop bashing thread, until you blamed it on...well...cops.
Now it makes complete sense.
Wow, you're right! That totally excuses excessive force, targeting specific races, and using the policing power as a form of revenue generation.
You're both pieces of **** and I can't wait until idiots like you are relegated to the margins of society.
Update:
Two officers were shot in front of the Ferguson Police Department early Thursday, authorities said, as demonstrators gathered after the city's police chief resigned in the wake of a scathing Justice Department report alleging bias in the police department and court. A 32-year-old officer from nearby Webster Groves was shot in the face and a 41-year-old officer from St. Louis County was shot in the shoulder, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said at a news conference. Both were taken to a hospital, where Belmar said they were conscious. He said he did not have further details about their conditions but described their injuries as "serious."
Someone at the scene, unseen and unidentified in the video, says: "Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening."
The acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division released a statement saying the U.S. government remains committed to reaching a "court-enforceable agreement" to address Ferguson's "unconstitutional practices," regardless of who's in charge of the city......snip~
Two officers shot outside Ferguson Police Headquarters
Does that even look Right.....Police all gunned up and in defense around a Police Station? Why was this allowed to keep being pushed to this point, again? Those are Black, White and even a couple of Latino Cops are out there. Yet people aren't discriminating when it comes to the Badge, huh?
Post on topic. This isn't about Sarah Palin or Gabrielle Giffords. Focus, please.
I imagine there would have to be, but I've only seen 7. I'd guess those are the worst they could find to use as examples.
You're both pieces of **** and I can't wait until idiots like you are relegated to the margins of society.
I just wanted to see if your rhetoric was consistent. Clearly it's not.
I just wanted to see if your rhetoric was consistent. Clearly it's not.
Perhaps that's because every situation isn't exactly the same.
Reminds me of Ft Apache, The Bronx.Update:
Two officers were shot in front of the Ferguson Police Department early Thursday, authorities said, as demonstrators gathered after the city's police chief resigned in the wake of a scathing Justice Department report alleging bias in the police department and court. A 32-year-old officer from nearby Webster Groves was shot in the face and a 41-year-old officer from St. Louis County was shot in the shoulder, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said at a news conference. Both were taken to a hospital, where Belmar said they were conscious. He said he did not have further details about their conditions but described their injuries as "serious."
Someone at the scene, unseen and unidentified in the video, says: "Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening."
The acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division released a statement saying the U.S. government remains committed to reaching a "court-enforceable agreement" to address Ferguson's "unconstitutional practices," regardless of who's in charge of the city......snip~
Two officers shot outside Ferguson Police Headquarters
Does that even look Right.....Police all gunned up and in defense around a Police Station? Why was this allowed to keep being pushed to this point, again? Those are Black, White and even a couple of Latino Cops are out there. Yet people aren't discriminating when it comes to the Badge, huh?
Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that you're not a hypocrite. Holder is directly responsible, but no conservative has ever been directly responsible for their rhetoric. Personal responsibility only applies to liberals, as usual.
I wasn't posting here when Giffords was shot in 2011. I joined this board in 2012. Can you please get back on topic, which isn't me, Sarah Palin, or Gabrielle Giffords? Thanks.
I have no problem with the report, I have a problem with Holder's timing. He was throwing out a bone to the race baiters.
Reminds me of Ft Apache, The Bronx.
I say cut the cops loose to clean out the scum. Arm them up with whatever they need then take a flame thrower to the town.
It's very reasonable to discuss and form opinions on different situations.... differently. I'm sorry you see that as inconsistency, as I see it as being genuine and reasonable.
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