Montecresto
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And so did the Police Chief. You didn't know that?
Embattled Ferguson police chief resigns; protests resume : News
I've never been to Ferguson. Never claimed to. I only know what I see on the news and what I read in Holder's report.
What did you see as the other prevailing issues that cause the problems there? And how much improvement will there be in the lives of the citizens when the problems within the PD are fixed? Will there be capital investments in the town to replace the businesses that were destroyed in the name of protest last year?
Yes, I did know that. I left off an important ? After "the city manager resigned"
One can hope that after the city cleans up its corrupt court that people will be prosecuted for destruction of property. And the mayor's working on attracting business to the community. Once the departments cleaned up, people's lives will improve in terms of their commute for sure.
So now that they both resigned, what about the other corrupt individuals? And again, why can't they be named in the report?
Although I think the Chief resigned because he was pissed, not because he admitted any wrongdoing. Not sure about the City Manager.
Okay, fair enough. I agree with all of this. Especially the persecution of the ones who destroyed property.
But what about the citizens, Monte. Do you think they had any culpability here?
I assume you meant prosecution. Yes, there are culpable citizens, many of which were caught on film destroying property. They need to be prosecuted. But they aren't representative of the entire city.
Yeah, but that's the tracks it looks like it'll be going down. DOJ's report has been rendered, clear indications of things that need to change, personnel changes in leadership roles that need to change, and, as much as I'd hate to say it, sensitivity training, . . . a complete reorganization. It's unavoidable at this point.
So who manages and administers that? I'm not thinking that it'd be the Dali Lama and the Swiss army. I'm thinking that it'll be the DOJ, or am I all wrong on this?
You talk about not make it a "us vs. them" and transcending politics, and then you post that.
Like I said, many can't transcend politics.
Alex Jones?
Aside from one moron shouting “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening,” where and when exactly was all this "celebrating" from lots of people?
Last night, when the reporter for FNC interviewed a 42 year old lady protesting last night, who was there at the shooting, he asked what she thought, or what she felt when she witnessed the shooting, and her answer was that she felt "nothing"... She went on to explain that she was sure that they felt sorrow for the falling of their own, just as they do, but that when they put on that uniform they are in her own words, "not human".... Is this what we want in this country? Really?
Last night, when the reporter for FNC interviewed a 42 year old lady protesting last night, who was there at the shooting, he asked what she thought, or what she felt when she witnessed the shooting, and her answer was that she felt "nothing"... She went on to explain that she was sure that they felt sorrow for the falling of their own, just as they do, but that when they put on that uniform they are in her own words, "not human".... Is this what we want in this country? Really?
It's actually hilarious how much work you're doing to deny the obvious - the police department is/was corrupt and racist.
It's not that there was a few bad apples in that department. They beat an innocent man doing nothing wrong, charged HIM with the just breathtaking crime of BLEEDING ON THE JACK BOOTED THUGS WHO BEAT HIM, and when he later sued they lied in the deposition, and then after the suit was filed, charged the victim of abuse with assault of a police officer. And of course they deleted the surveillance tape. So their response to wrongdoing was to commit more wrongdoing to cover up the previous wrongdoing - double down on the corruption. I'm sorry, but by any rational measure that's the sign of a department that's corrupt (at least if not also obviously racist) from top to bottom.
And you don't think this attitude and corruption was well known to the population before Brown was shot? It's funny in a very sick way that anyone can believe that.
Of course you did. And of course that wasn't me you were referring to, was it?
No, just keep nipping at my heels. It's fun.
Last night, when the reporter for FNC interviewed a 42 year old lady protesting last night, who was there at the shooting, he asked what she thought, or what she felt when she witnessed the shooting, and her answer was that she felt "nothing"... She went on to explain that she was sure that they felt sorrow for the falling of their own, just as they do, but that when they put on that uniform they are in her own words, "not human".... Is this what we want in this country? Really?
So, again, why aren't people who tolerate corruption themselves corrupt. That should be easy to answer. I think the opposite personally, and will say why. If you tolerate corruption, you accept it. If you are a passive observer of a crime and do nothing to stop it, you are not an honest person.
So if the members of the force saw corruption and did nothing, why are you so convinced that they should keep their jobs, and that it won't happen again? I'm not.
Morning JasperL.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And my opinion, it is a fool that accepts this report as being an accurate depiction of the FPD given Holder's record of politicizing the DOJ and his record for race baiting, his record for a number of judges rebuking him for his "interpretation" of the law. It's a fool that doesn't weigh these facts especially when those in charge of the civil rights department at the DOJ are all left activist attorneys. It's a fool that also doesn't take into consideration that this man has an agenda with his records of acts like praising Al Sharpton the biggest race baiter of our time for his tireless work.
But today while surfing, I came across this blog written by an African American and he calls Eric Holder out on his racism using the records from the MO atty. gen. website
"
Racial Profiling Statistics
- Disparity Index = Optimal number is 1, below 1 means group is underrepresented in the sample. Over 1 means over represented in the sample.
State Average – Disparity Index against African-American – 1.59
Ferguson Police Department
Disparity Index against African Americans – 1.37
63% of population is African-American
86% % of the traffic stops are African American
Below are Communities run by black City Councils/Mayor
Pine Lawn Police Department
Disparity Index against Whites – 19.32
1.42% of population is White
27.5 % of the traffic stops are White
[Author’s note:] Here’s an interesting factoid on Pine Lawn: Pine Lawn’s Director of Public Safety (Police Chief) and their City Prosecutor “moonlights” as the Attorney for Michael Brown’s family.
Berkeley Police Department
Disparity Index against Whites – 2.69
15% of population is White
42 % of the traffic stops are White"
DOJ pulls a "Lois Lerner" on Ferguson | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net
You need to read the comments under the link.Alex Jones?
Aside from one moron shouting “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening,” where and when exactly was all this "celebrating" from lots of people?
Hi Lady V...
May I ask on what you base that opinion?
What evidence is there the report is doctored or exaggerated?
I have read the entire thing, has looked at the background and gathering of data, the side comments of those interviewed...
I was dismissive as well, until I heard a CBC program with interviews from the authors, people in Ferguson, lawyers who have faced these courts and sop on. It was that show that made me take a look at this and read it....
I have seen not one shred of evidence to indicate that report is in any way compromised and nothing to indicate that the descriptions and how they used the police as a money gathering tool. The figures are there, there is a paper trail.
If there is anything to indicate this is some kind of fraud, please let me know...because in your opinion I am a fool and if so, I need to correct that
It seems that Whites are less prone to complain about racism.Goooooood Morning F&L
Well for starters, go back to the report in the way they worded covering the stops made on traffic violations. Sounds bad until you discover that the State of Missouri allows up to 30% of revenue from traffic tickets. Ferguson doesn't come close but currently several predominately black cities in Missouri who have black mayors are in violation of state law for over ticketing. The stats that really blow one away are that of Pine Lawn.....who has a black mayor/city council.
Pine Lawn Police Department
Disparity Index against Whites – 19.32
1.42% of population is White
27.5 % of the traffic stops are White
Pine Lawn’s Director of Public Safety (Police Chief) and their City Prosecutor “moonlights” as the Attorney for Michael Brown’s family.
I looked up the distance between Pine Lawn and Ferguson Missouri, the distance is 4.7 miles.
It seems that Whites are less prone to complain about racism.
You to are conflating the demonstration with the attempted murder of a peace officer. The protesters did not shoot at the cops...a person or persons did.
The Ferguson Police are investigating and seeking a person or persons involved....not a protest.
edit: ...Not Holder not race baiters. Remember personal responsibility? The person on persons that shot the police officers is responsible.
Goooooood Morning F&L
Well for starters, go back to the report in the way they worded covering the stops made on traffic violations. Sounds bad until you discover that the State of Missouri allows up to 30% of revenue from traffic tickets. Ferguson doesn't come close but currently several predominately black cities in Missouri who have black mayors are in violation of state law for over ticketing. The stats that really blow one away are that of Pine Lawn.....who has a black mayor/city council.
Pine Lawn Police Department
Disparity Index against Whites – 19.32
1.42% of population is White
27.5 % of the traffic stops are White
Pine Lawn’s Director of Public Safety (Police Chief) and their City Prosecutor “moonlights” as the Attorney for Michael Brown’s family.
I looked up the distance between Pine Lawn and Ferguson Missouri, the distance is 4.7 miles.
Does this mean that the problems at FPD shouldn't be fixed. Or does it mean that the problems at FPD should be fixed, and then we should move on to Pine Lawn?
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