Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

Declan · Mar 12, 2015

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vesper said:
I read the report. The emails cited were not recent. The rest of it we are left to believe is an accurate account of their findings and not embellished or taken out of context. If the Atty Gen who himself who has been found to be lose with the laws he is suppose to uphold, whose reading of the law has received scathing rejections by federal judges and his antics overturned by the Supremes has a credibility problem. He is stepping down from his position at the DOJ for a reason. Now I am not saying that police never behave badly, but what is happening right now is by design. If Holder was really wanting to heal this community. He would not have published that report. Instead, he would have dealt with each issue internally. But he didn't choose to. Maybe you should ask yourself why?

I would be more curious as to why you think he should have covered up a pattern of civil rights violations by keeping the investigation's findings a secret....

US Conservative · Mar 12, 2015

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gdgyva said:
those were kinda my thought too

why would i want to be a cop in ferguson today?

there has to be an easier way to make a living.....

leave the neighborhoods to the people that live in them.....

apparently they arent happy with the service they have been receiving anyway

just walk away.....go get another job in another county or precinct

I can tell you how it is right now (has been for years) where I work as a Paramedic-there are entire neighborhoods (all minority) where we simply dont go when people call 911 until we have a police escort.

My rig has been shot at, egged, and had rocks thrown at it-and when we stage-say down the street people come up to us and ask why we aren't going up the street to help-and I explain it to them. You can see the frustration, but I frankly dont care. They do it to themselves, and Im not risking my safety for them.

On top of that its a massive strain on the system, because it takes longer to run calls, and it pulls the police away from where they are needed more though they have certainly saved my ass before. And we've saved theirs. We have to have each others backs in those neighborhoods.

Most people simply have no idea how fast things can go south-and to he cops credit they do it and generally politely-far more than I would have been. I tell them all the time I dont know how they do it.

Peter King · Mar 12, 2015

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tres borrachos said:
Well, Holder is one of many who made this situation worse.

And it's terrible that these 2 officers were shot. I'll bet most people on here don't even know their names. I'll bet most people on here can't name the 2 NYPD officers who were shot in cold blood in December. But everyone remembers the name of the "teenager" whose hands actually weren't up in surrender and the white cop who shot him and whose name was cleared, no matter how desperately Holder, the left wing politicians, the bloggers, and the left leaners on here tried to convict him of some wrong doing. That's even more disturbing to me.

Sorry, but Holder was right about this police department. It is indeed sad that people do not know the names of the 2 killed officers, but most people also do not know most of the innocently killed people in the United States from the guns of criminals.

Holder did not create the problem in Ferguson, neither were the civil rights protesters. The police in Ferguson is racist and that is what has been causing this issue.

eohrnberger · Mar 12, 2015

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Fearandloathing said:
THAT would be a mistake. It's "Obama" and that asshole has so alienated his own people little that comes out of his administration will be easily accepted. He's poisoned that well, even if it is non-partisan, it will not be seen to be non partisan. How about the Dali Lama and the Swiss army?

Yeah, but that's the tracks it looks like it'll be going down. DOJ's report has been rendered, clear indications of things that need to change, personnel changes in leadership roles that need to change, and, as much as I'd hate to say it, sensitivity training, . . . a complete reorganization. It's unavoidable at this point.

So who manages and administers that? I'm not thinking that it'd be the Dali Lama and the Swiss army. I'm thinking that it'll be the DOJ, or am I all wrong on this?

sangha · Mar 12, 2015

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Fearandloathing said:
THAT would be a mistake. It's "Obama" and that asshole has so alienated his own people little that comes out of his administration will be easily accepted. He's poisoned that well, even if it is non-partisan, it will not be seen to be non partisan. How about the Dali Lama and the Swiss army?

You talk about not make it a "us vs. them" and transcending politics, and then you post that.

Like I said, many can't transcend politics.

sangha · Mar 12, 2015

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tres borrachos said:
Well, Holder is one of many who made this situation worse.

tres borrachos said:
Neat. I didn't blame Holder for this.

:roll:

ThePlayDrive · Mar 12, 2015

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sangha said:
:roll:

Amazing.

sangha · Mar 12, 2015

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ThePlayDrive said:
Amazing.

No.

Predictable.

ThePlayDrive · Mar 12, 2015

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Ikari said:
The thing we're seeing here isn't some pathetic display of partisan politics (though this thread certainly is a display of that), but of an immense problem that has existed for decades now and is beginning to explode. The way we use our police, the way we exercise government force against the rights and liberties of the citizens, is being questioned. We've already seen the reports showing that police departments are used as city fundraisers, and we know from incident after incident the willingness of government to use deadly force against its own people.

What we need is to return to sense and sensibility. Government is necessary, policing is necessary, we cannot resort to more violence and killing of our own. But we need to get government force into proper proportion and we need to start investigating more reliable less-than-lethal weapons that our police can use against civilians.

The total goal should be a higher level of mutual respect and courtesy.

One of the most interesting parts of this to me is how the party that claims to distrust government is firmly on the side of the police in these cases. They will twist and turn whatever they can to excuse law enforcement and defend them no matter how obvious their wrongdoing is.

sangha · Mar 12, 2015

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ThePlayDrive said:
One of the most interesting parts of this to me is how the party that claims to distrust government is firmly on the side of the police in these cases. They will twist and turn whatever they can to excuse law enforcement and defend them no matter how obvious their wrongdoing is.

Some people hate the niggers more than they distrust the govt.

vesper · Mar 12, 2015

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Fearandloathing said:
Emails?

What emails?

The report deals with over 70 interviews of people, city officials, judges and others in the law enforcement community.

If there is anything about emails in there it isn't relevant.

This is:]

I know what the report states, once again, I refer to my previous statements that the head of the DOJ has a credibility problem and the one he has in control of the civil rights division is a leftist with a history of leftist activism.

Traffic violations do not prove blatant out of control racism. Nor does 90% of documented force in arrests when a town is almost 70% of the African-American race. If that were the case, then every major city in the U.S. that has a huge number of African American residency, their police force must be equivalent to the Ku Klux Klan by these standards. This is absurd and manufactured outrage. Check Chicago arrests by force, L.A., Atlanta etc. of African Americans. The percentage of African Americans being arrested does not have to do with racism, but the breakdown of their families. As I stated earlier, 70% of all African American babies are born out of wedlock which means they are born into poverty. In urban areas heavily populated by African Americans have a very high unemployment rate. These areas also have had a very high dropout rate. None of that has to do with racism but all can be factors that lead to criminal behavior.

ThePlayDrive · Mar 12, 2015

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sangha said:
Some people hate the niggers more than they distrust the govt.

Truth. It always comes back to that and, with this DOJ Report and the recent frat video, the pervasive racism that's operated in secret for so long is finally coming out in the public. Thank God.

ThePlayDrive · Mar 12, 2015

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Mustachio said:
I didn't realize today was opposite day! Two officers are shot -- which is horrible, unacceptable, and tragic -- after largely peaceful protests in Ferguson. So a few criminals try to murder two police officers and now we have conservatives blaming... Eric Holder? Seriously? And here, as a liberal, I always point out that I don't blame any high profile conservative or the NRA or any political wing when some crazy guy decides he's going to spill the blood of tyranny or some tripe like that. I guess the NRA's new motto should be "guns don't kill people, factual DoJ reports do!" I guess personal responsibility is no longer a primary concern for those of you on the right.

Also, a lot of liberals who do blame Republicans and the NRA for inciting violence are not playing those cards today. I am a deeply flawed human being, but at least I'm consistent, and let me tell you: it's not that hard.

It's in situation like these when people's true beliefs and motivations are revealed. It's in moments like these when you realize that arguments about "personal responsibility" are just a cover for whatever they truly believe that is too "taboo" to state openly.

sangha · Mar 12, 2015

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ThePlayDrive said:
Truth. It always comes back to that and, with this DOJ Report and the recent frat video, the pervasive racism that's operated in secret for so long is finally coming out in the public. Thank God.

And coincidentally, it's the same people who are defending those frat boys that are denying that the police in Ferguson are racist, and are blaming Holder and Obama. The same people have no problem with the doctor who refused to examine a baby because its' parents were lesbians.

ThePlayDrive · Mar 12, 2015

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Fearandloathing said:
Let us pause in the debate and give thanks their families will still have them

My favorite part of this thread is people pretending that they actually care about the cops and their families and that they aren't just using them for their political ends.

Grant · Mar 12, 2015

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sangha said:
Some people hate the niggers more than they distrust the govt.

Huh????

ThePlayDrive · Mar 12, 2015

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sangha said:
And coincidentally, it's the same people who are defending those frat boys that are denying that the police in Ferguson are racist, and are blaming Holder and Obama. The same people have no problem with the doctor who refused to examine a baby because its' parents were lesbians.

Yep. I guess it's just a coincidence that nearly everyone of their stances is based in perpetuating prejudice against marginalized groups. It's probably not that they sympathize with racists and endorse discrimination. Nope. They're just good, moral Americans that are unfairly painted by the evil left

vesper · Mar 12, 2015

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Declan said:
I would be more curious as to why you think he should have covered up a pattern of civil rights violations by keeping the investigation's findings a secret....

I will be glad to. Ferguson has been a tender box since the people all believed the lie hands up don't shoot and were ready to string Officer Wilson up for the crime. Today many still believe the narrative "hands up don't shoot" because that is what they were told even though the evidence shows differently. With a situation like that, you would think an Atty General if he felt he had reason to believe racism rampant in Ferguson at the police department would have internally addressed the issues rather than send out a report that would fan the flames. He didn't choose to do things that way instead dumped a few more barrels of gasoline on the embers by releasing what several are calling a cherry picked report to paint white cops in Ferguson as rascists. Now we have two cops shot down. What next?

sangha · Mar 12, 2015

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ThePlayDrive said:
Yep. I guess it's just a coincidence that nearly everyone of their stances is based in perpetuating prejudice against marginalized groups. It's probably not that they sympathize with racists and endorse discrimination. Nope. They're just good, moral Americans that are unfairly painted by the evil left

because "freedom"

Declan · Mar 12, 2015

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ThePlayDrive said:
One of the most interesting parts of this to me is how the party that claims to distrust government is firmly on the side of the police in these cases. They will twist and turn whatever they can to excuse law enforcement and defend them no matter how obvious their wrongdoing is.

Except when they come for their guns, and then they'll shoot em like the paper targets at the range their prowess is so great.

matchlight · Mar 12, 2015

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Has anyone heard if they've said what kind of bullet hit these men? It surprised me to hear one of them was shot just under the eye with a rifle from about 125 yards, and yet was treated at the hospital and released. What happened to the other officer is not much less surprising. That bullet entered his shoulder and exited his back, but he too was able to be released after treatment.

It sounds like the rifle can't have been anything more powerful than a .22 rimfire--if so, it's sort of an odd choice as used. I've heard they were often used by hit men in Mafia killings because the noise is not very noticeable on a city street, but those shootings took place at such close range that a shot to the head with even a .22 was a pretty sure thing. Maybe this was just a prank, and the person who fired on the officers never meant to kill them. You know, just some kid horsing around.

Grant · Mar 12, 2015

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sangha said:
And coincidentally, it's the same people who are defending those frat boys that are denying that the police in Ferguson are racist, and are blaming Holder and Obama. The same people have no problem with the doctor who refused to examine a baby because its' parents were lesbians.

Holder and Obama insinuated themselves into what was a local problem and thus became part of the story. When Obama mentions it in a speech to the UN explaining once again to the despots how America has its problems, then we know a line has been crossed. Not the red line promise he broke earlier but the one requiring some good judgement.

The buck stops there.

Grant · Mar 12, 2015

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US Conservative said:
I can tell you how it is right now (has been for years) where I work as a Paramedic-there are entire neighborhoods (all minority) where we simply dont go when people call 911 until we have a police escort.

My rig has been shot at, egged, and had rocks thrown at it-and when we stage-say down the street people come up to us and ask why we aren't going up the street to help-and I explain it to them. You can see the frustration, but I frankly dont care. They do it to themselves, and Im not risking my safety for them.

On top of that its a massive strain on the system, because it takes longer to run calls, and it pulls the police away from where they are needed more though they have certainly saved my ass before. And we've saved theirs. We have to have each others backs in those neighborhoods.

Most people simply have no idea how fast things can go south-and to he cops credit they do it and generally politely-far more than I would have been. I tell them all the time I dont know how they do it.

Perhaps there are aspects of the Black culture that should change?

Declan · Mar 12, 2015

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vesper said:
I will be glad to. Ferguson has been a tender box since the people all believed the lie hands up don't shoot and were ready to string Officer Wilson up for the crime. Today many still believe the narrative "hands up don't shoot" because that is what they were told even though the evidence shows differently. With a situation like that, you would think an Atty General if he felt he had reason to believe racism rampant in Ferguson at the police department would have internally addressed the issues rather than send out a report that would fan the flames. He didn't choose to do things that way instead dumped a few more barrels of gasoline on the embers by releasing what several are calling a cherry picked report to paint white cops in Ferguson as rascists. Now we have two cops shot down. What next?

If racism is rampant in Ferguson, wouldn't you think the blacks would be the first to know and not need a DOJ report on the subject?

matchlight · Mar 12, 2015

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Declan said:
Except when they come for their guns, and then they'll shoot em like the paper targets at the range their prowess is so great.

Which other constitutionally guaranteed rights do you sneer at, besides the right to keep and bear arms?

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