Two Muslim clerics issue Fatwa against terrorists

[Navy Pride]

No. I don't feel at all bad about saying that, given what's been insinuated here about innocent Muslims.

Innocent Muslims is not the problem my left wing friend....Its the 10 million radicals that we can't tell from the innocent ones that bother people........

 

[ScummyD]

No. I don't feel at all bad about saying that,

I don't doubt that, just your ability to prove your previous defamatory accusation. And, we note that you failed to name names and cite proof.

 

[Manc Skipper]

I sincerely hope the fatwa was issued in good faith and is sincere; hence my initial comment. And, in my second post the reason I used the term "may."

Unfortunately the religion of Islam advocates lying to deceive the infidels so in the court of public opinion, to many, they have to prove their words are honestly tendered.

What a classical example of "damning with faint praise"

 

[Manc Skipper]

You'll never get enough to convince the anti-Muslim types.

They all know who they are, and a glance at their posting history is sufficient for anyone who is unsure.

 

[AgentM]

Innocent Muslims is not the problem my left wing friend....Its the 10 million radicals that we can't tell from the innocent ones that bother people........

10 million radicals eh? :roll:

 

[danarhea]

Jeez, I have seen enough. Some people on here bloviate about how Muslims are not tolerant, and then, when some come forward and denounce terrorism, they call them liars.

Who is being intolerant now?

BTW, I know quite a few Muslims, and there are many here in Houston. Many fly the American flag in their yards, and not one that I know supports terrorists, and would turn them in, if given half a chance. One Muslim that I know, a Mr. Alamin, found a woman's purse, with money in it, and drove to the other side of town to return it to it's owner. Not one penny was missing.

To lump all Muslims into a single group like some are doing is just sickening. Damn, I thought the KKK was on the decline, but hatred for the sake of hatred will, unfortunately, still be with us for a very long time, and hatred for the sake of hatred is not intrinsic of only radical Muslim fundamentalists. The proof of that is in this thread.

 

[ScummyD]

One Muslim that I know, a Mr. Alamin, found a woman's purse, with money in it, and drove to the other side of town to return it to it's owner. Not one penny was missing.

Oh my, imagine that.:lamo You mean that there are actually honest Muslims in the world? Who would thunk. :roll:

 

[ScummyD]

What a classical example of "damning with faint praise"

A classic example of rank assumption.

 

[Orion]

Journalism hasn't messed up any views.

Actions have.

Then why does journalism never show the Muslim demonstrations in the U.S. condemning the actions of terrorism? Why are patriotic American Muslims never shown on the evening news? Why are the violent images of Muslims never contrasted with peaceful ones? The huge convention I mentioned in my previous post, that was the biggest Muslim convention in Canadian history. It didn't even make the evening news. So you just keep talking about "action" and the majority will just keep on believing you.

There is a huge agenda against Islam among the media conglomerates. They want you to believe that Islam is evil incarnate and no good can come from it because support for the multiple foreign campaigns partially comes from that hatred.

 

[danarhea]

Then why does journalism never show the Muslim demonstrations in the U.S. condemning the actions of terrorism? Why are patriotic American Muslims never shown on the evening news? Why are the violent images of Muslims never contrasted with peaceful ones? The huge convention I mentioned in my previous post, that was the biggest Muslim convention in Canadian history. It didn't even make the evening news. So you just keep talking about "action" and the majority will just keep on believing you.

There is a huge agenda against Islam among the media conglomerates. They want you to believe that Islam is evil incarnate and no good can come from it because support for the multiple foreign campaigns partially comes from that hatred.

Let me add to this the following question: Why has everyone heard about Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize, while running two wars, but hardly anybody heard when Shrin Ebadi getting it? It was just a blip in the news here. Could it be that Ebadi is Islamic, and therefore not as deserving of coverage in the US?

 

[Orion]

Could it be that Ebadi is Islamic, and therefore not as deserving of coverage in the US?

That is exactly why. The media's job right now is not to report peace in the Middle East, but to make it look like the most violent mess imaginable so that the Western powers have justification to be there.

 

[Karl Rove]

Except that the fatwa specifically called for liberal Muslims support the infidel, and endanger the terrorists.

Which proves that so-called fatwa is phony, because the Koran, Hadith, and Sira are filled with passages ordering Muslims to hate kafir infidels. Indeed, not only to just hate kafir infidels, but to kill and subjugate them.

Not only that, but the passages in the Koran that call for violence against the kafir infidels were some of the last ones issued by Muhammad when he was strong and very powerful, meaning, per the principle of abrogation, that they supersede and replace the peaceful passages in the Koran that were issued early on in Muhammad’s career when he was still weak and very vulnerable, as all the peaceful passages in the Koran were the earliest passages that Muhammad issued

As a matter of fact, if that so-called fatwa is meant to be genuine, then those Imams involved have just committed blasphemy, and I hardly believe that Syed Soharwardy, who is a very notorious anti-Semite that often makes calls for the implementation of Sharia law in Canada, would commit blasphemy.

 

[Karl Rove]

The limit of the taqiyya would be broken if Muslims follow this fatwa and work against the terrorists. Therefore the taqiyya argument does not stand up to scrutiny.

If you really believe that somehow Syed Soharwardy, who is a very notorious anti-Semitic Jew hater and often makes calls for the implementation of Sharia law in Canada, will actually follow up his Fatwa and teach and preach against the jihad ideology then I have a bridge for sale I need to show you.

 

[Karl Rove]

I would like to see more of these guys step up to the plate and denounce those thugs............

Hell…not just denounce terrorism, but actually work against it. I mean while it is true that not all Muslims are terrorists, it is also true that nearly all terrorist attacks are perpetrated by Muslims, and as many Muslims, or so-called misunderstanders of Islam, that commit terrorist attacks around the world, you would think that the Islamic faith would be running infomercials on television around the world denouncing terrorism and trying to stop this onslaught of jihad being waged by Muslims. But what do we get, with the exception of these few attempts at transparent taqiyya, we get exactly nothing but silence.

 

[AgentM]

If you really believe that somehow Syed Soharwardy, who is a very notorious anti-Semitic Jew hater and often makes calls for the implementation of Sharia law in Canada, will actually follow up his Fatwa and teach and preach against the jihad ideology then I have a bridge for sale I need to show you.

Those two things do not necessarily negate the fatwa. Why would it not be in the self-interest of Canadian Muslims to support Canada against the terrorists? Muslims are harmed in al-Qaida's bombs as well, Canada is their country as much as anyone elses.

 

[Karl Rove]

You'll never get enough to convince the anti-Muslim types.

You really mean people who aren't blinded by political correct multiculturalism the same way that you are.

 

[Karl Rove]

10 million radicals eh? :roll:

In reality it is a broad majority of Muslims in the world that agree with the jihadists.

 

[Karl Rove]

Those two things do not necessarily negate the fatwa. Why would it not be in the self-interest of Canadian Muslims to support Canada against the terrorists? Muslims are harmed in al-Qaida's bombs as well, Canada is their country as much as anyone elses.

First of all, the aforementioned fatwa is bogus because it teaches against the texts and tenants of Islam and the fact that you are totally ignorant of that fact is more than a little obvious.

Second, Muslims don’t migrate to integrate and assimilate. They migrate only to one-day make Islam supreme. Indeed, can you even point to a single non-Muslim country anywhere in the world where mass Muslim immigration has already occurred where the Muslims integrated and assimilated and became contributing and productive members of the society instead of forming Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia?

 

[Captain America]

Damn. In a million years I never thought I would agree with a Karl Rove on anything but I guess I was wrong.

The fatwa is a nice gesture but it's just lip service. I won't complain, however, because I have, for several years now, bitched and whined because the Muslim's were not standing up and shouting down all this rampant terrorism done in the name of jihad. I have long felt they had an obligation to clean their own house. But I mostly see just tolerance and indifference.

I am jaded forever towards anything having to do with Islam. They made a lifelong enemy here.

 

[AgentM]

First of all, the aforementioned fatwa is bogus because it teaches against the texts and tenants of Islam and the fact that you are totally ignorant of that fact is more than a little obvious.

According to your thinking. Clearly these Imams have a different interpretation.

Second, Muslims don’t migrate to integrate and assimilate. They migrate only to one-day make Islam supreme. Indeed, can you even point to a single non-Muslim country anywhere in the world where mass Muslim immigration has already occurred where the Muslims integrated and assimilated and became contributing and productive members of the society instead of forming Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia?

That's quite possibly the one of the most ignorant, racist things I've seen on this forum so far. You've been reported, have a nice day.

 

[Karl Rove]

According to your thinking. Clearly these Imams have a different interpretation.

No…the Imams are lying through their teeth about what the Koran inculcates and the reality is you are also hopelessly ignorant of what it is the texts and tenants of Islam actually teaches.

That's quite possibly the one of the most ignorant, racist things I've seen on this forum so far. You've been reported, have a nice day.

Racist? Give me a break! My response may not be politically correct because it cuts against the grain of what you have been indoctrinated to believe, but it is not racist because it is true and criticism that is true is legitimate and can never be construed as being racist, and because it is true is also the reason why you couldn’t answer my easy question. Hence, report away!

 

[B L Zeebub]

In reality it is a broad majority of Muslims in the world that agree with the jihadists.

:fart:fart:fart:fart

 

[Zyphlin]

In reality it is a broad majority of Muslims in the world that agree with the jihadists.

So do you have fact to back up your obviously bigoted bloviating, or are you just spouting off and we're expect to trust your words which is a laughable notion to begin with.

 

[ScummyD]

Give me a break! My response may not be politically correct because it cuts against the grain of what you have been indoctrinated to believe,

Exactly. Here below is a great example where he spews PC talking points that are totally divorced from reality.

For instance, al-Qaida's Wahabbism is just one interpretation of Islam, they conveniently manipulate the concept of Jihad for their own purposes. However, traditionally in Islam Greater Jihad has been emphasized over Lesser Jihad. Greater Jihad is inner struggle, as opposed to Lesser Jihad which is the Jihad most Westerners think of when they hear the term.

You are wrong in your opinion that "traditionally in Islam Greater Jihad has been emphasized over Lesser Jihad."

In point of fact, "traditionally" speaking it is the exact opposite.

Regarding jihad Professor Lewis writes the following:

The overwhelming majority of early authorities, citing the relevant passages in the Qu'ran, the commentaries, and the traditions of the Prophet, discuss jihad in military terms. . .For most of the fourteen centuries of recorded Muslim history, jiahd was most commonly interpreted to mean armed struggle for the defense or advancement of Muslim power."

Lewis Crisis of Islam, p. 29, 31-31​

http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/638939.html#post1058483086

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